Talk:List of counties of England and Wales in 1964 by highest point

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height[edit]

What is the 'height' above? E.g., above some sea level? Hmains (talk) 05:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Height above sea level. Assuming the heights are all derived from data from the Ordnance Survey (Britain's national mapping agency), this means the height above the Ordnance Datum in Newlyn, Cornwall. This is a mark on the South Pier indicating the mean sea level measured between May 1915 to April 1921. Does that answer your question? — ras52 (talk) 09:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Denbighshire and Montgomeryshire[edit]

We seem to be missing Denbighshire for the list. However, I'm struggling to find a reference for the highest point in the historic county. The Wikipedia article says "the highest points are Moel Sych and Cader Berwyn at 2,713 feet", which must be based on an out of date survey. Assuming this statement is broadly correct, and that the higher of the two is the county top, then it is Cadair Berwyn (which modern surveys put at 830 m, compared to Moel Sych's 827 m).

The hill-bagging.co.uk site, where I would usually look to find such information, also omits Denbighshire [1]. The TACit booklets only use modern counties, as does the Relative Hills of Britain book.

Studying the Ordnance Survey New Popular Edition 1" map [2], it is apparent that the summit of Moel Sych is the point where Denbighshire, Montgomeryshire and Merionethshire meet. The Denbighshire–Merionethshire border continues northeast along the ridge passing over Cadair Berwyn; the Denbighshire–Montgomeryshire border drops south down into Cwm-Rhiwiau; and the Montgomeryshire–Merionethshire border to the B4391. However, this means that the list is currently wrong when it gives Cadair Berwyn as the highest point in Montgomershire, as Cadair Berwyn isn't in Montgomeryshire. Instead the highest point is Moel Sych, which is in agreement with hill-bagging.co.uk.

— ras52 (talk) 10:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the definitive list for traditional counties is that on Wikishire? Its basic data is taken from the Historic Counties Trust. Howard Alexander (talk) 15:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Boring Field[edit]

Is this a real place name, or just made up as a joke? I first saw it in a hillwalking magazine in the 1990s, and it doesn't appear on Streetmap even zoomed in to the smallest scale (it's called "Windy Barn Farm"). All references I can find for it are from lists like this. Anything from say the 1970s or earlier that attests it? Walshie79 (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added the link from Boring Field to Covington, Cambridgeshire, where I included the section about Boring Field, with two references. Does that help? ...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but those links are still to peak-bagging sites. This comment on here is interesting: http://www.hill-bagging.co.uk/mountaindetails.php?qu=CoH&rf=5463 "I was privileged to visit (after harvest) with the farmer's permission. He calls the field Bush Ground" (22/09/12). I have looked at a few old OS maps from the late 19th to mid 20th century and there is no Boring Field around Covington. No mention of it on the local history pages linked in the Covington article either. I now firmly believe the name was invented in the late 20th century by somebody in the hill-walking or peak-bagging fraternity, as a derogatory name.Walshie79 (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rename?[edit]

If the intention of this article is to refer to historic counties, as it seems to be, then why 1964 and not 1888? Indeed, why not keep it simple and use "List of historic counties of England and Wales by highest point"? That is my suggestion for a re-naming. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:20, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]