Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe

Inaccuracies on the article

In the chapter "Definition of Europe" of Article in the second paragraph stated erroneously that: "The island of Cyprus in Southwest Asia is approximate to Anatolia (or Asia Minor) and is on the Anatolian Plate but is often considered part of Europe as a current member of the European Union (EU). Armenia is entirely in Southwest Asia but is a member of certain European organisations" Cyprus is located in southeastern Europe and not in southwestern Asia as erroneously mentioned in Article. Cyprus has always belonged to the European continent since the inception of the science of geography. The island is a fundamental part of the continent of Europe both geographically and culturally. The culture and European values are not adopted by the inhabitants of the island in recent years that one can write "often considered part of Europe" but rather invented by them and spread to the rest of Europe many centuries ago. The social, economic, and political system in the island, religion and all other aspect of life is inseparable from what is known as European culture. The society and human relationships are similar to other southern European countries such as Greece, Italy and Spain. As regards the geographical position of Armenia "Armenia is entirely in Southwest Asia" is completely incorrect. In fact Armenia lies in Europe continent exactly in the same geographical region of the Caucasus with Georgia and Azerbaijan. Caucasus is the natural boundary between Europe and Asia but throughout this vast mountain range lies almost entirely within the European continent. Article paradoxically singles in Armenia from Georgia and Azerbaijan, although the three countries belonging to the group of the Caucasus countries, all their land situated in the wide territory of mountains and their fortunes are inextricably tied in all respects, both historically and geographically. Incidentally in another point of the article relative to the previous stated erroneously that "Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey have territory both in Europe and Asia" which is true only for the last three. 93.109.77.112 (talk) 14:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

It is true that Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan are all in the Caucasus mountain region. But the article here on Europe says:

Europe is generally 'divided' from Asia to its east by the watershed divides of the Ural and Caucasus Mountains, ...

(emphasis added by me)

The watershed divide would be a fairly definite line through the length of the Caucusus mountains, and probably wouldn't be at the edge. By that definition of Europe versus Asia, anything north of that divide is Europe and anything south of it is Asia. The same article has a map showing that boundary, and you'll notice that both Georgia and Azerbaijan have only small areas to the north side of the border, and Armenia is completely south.

As for Cyprus, you'll note it's tucked into a little corner in the eastern part of the Mediterranean; its closest neighbors are ASIAN Turkey, Syria, and Israel. The origins of its culture were probably intimately tied up with the Middle East. I don't think that saying so in any way minimizes Cyprus's role in civilizing Europe. 140.147.236.195 (talk) 20:47, 21 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Ordering by area doesn't work

In the table, ordering the countries alphabetically or by population seems to work. But ordering by area doesn't. (And I came here to see them arranged by area.) Anybody know how to fix that? 140.147.236.195 (talk) 13:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

I figured it out, and I fixed it. It works now. 140.147.236.195 (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Coding problems

I can't see Latvia or Liechtenstein, but can't find out why. Any ideas? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 03:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I fixed Liechtenstein. When I was going through yesterday editing the coding so that sorting by population would work right (see discussion topic just before this one), I omitted one brace there. I've put it in, and it works. And it seems that Latvia has magically reappeared. That I can't explain. 173.79.191.234 (talk) 15:25, 17 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

I meant by area, not population. 173.79.191.234 (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Thanks! Much appreciated. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:17, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

ok im not good at this wiki thing so i'm just typing soz if it makes it look bad, anyway why isn't Kosovo on there as it is recognised by most european states ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.210.78 (talk) 18:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Kosovo is in the second section. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Turkey in Europe?

Hello,

I got a question, is Turkey in Europe (not the EU but the continent Europe).

Because I guess and learned on school (nearly 10 years ago), Turkey was in Asia....

Greetings, SnSKiller (talk) 16:25, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

The vast majority of Turkey, including the capital, is in Asia, however a small part of it, East Thrace, is in Europe. This includes half of the city of Istanbul. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

But is it right to set Turkey in this page b/c it is only a small part from Turkey in Europe?

SnSKiller (talk) 18:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

That's debatable. A similar situation exists with Georgia and Azerbaijan, while Armenia and Cyprus aren't even in Europe. However, some have argued for their inclusion and there have been a couple of minor edit wars. Russia is mostly in Asia geographically, but is politically and demographically centred in Europe. The page doesn't have any standards for inclusion right now, but feel free to propose some. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it is good for me, but I asked b/c on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines we have a set of Asia countries and European countries, I like to know where to place Turkey, I placed it in Asia now. Btw thank you for your fast respond Chipmunkdavis ;-) SnSKiller (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

As someone who has recently gone through and done a lot of intricate editing on both this page and the comparable one for Asia (the sorting feature now works for Area--you're welcome!), take it from me. The countries in question--and Kazakhstan, too--all appear on both pages. That sounds to me like the best solution. 140.147.236.195 (talk) 20:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Oh yeah! Russia, too. 140.147.236.195 (talk) 20:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

My school geography teacher knew geography worser than i do today, and she haven't even heard about dependent territories! The article is arranged this way just for easiness, as 50% of population of Greenland/Russia/Kazakhstan/Armenia/Azerbaijan/Georgia/Karabakh/South Ossetia/Abkhazia/Cyprus/Turkey/Northern Cyprus/Akrotiri/Dhekelia and in lesser sence Uzbekistan/Tajikistan/Turkmenistan/Kyrgyzstan/Mongolia e.t.c. consider them to be european and 50% not, it's definitely easier to include those countries on both lists for easiness as some would only search their country only on the one of the continental lists Captain armenia (talk) 17:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)