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Calling from abroad / country codes[edit]

I found this list of toll free numbers that can be used to access operators in the the USA from payphones in Europe, Asia and South America. There are also international dialing instructions and country codes. http://www.networkam.net/call%20usa.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.67.14 (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

+3 unassigned?[edit]

How is +3 unassigned? Pretty much by definition, calling codes are prefix-free, and there are plenty of +3 telephone numbers. Prumpf 14:24, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

you might want to read the full "A numbering policy for telecommunications" from the european comission http://europa.eu.int/en/record/green/gp9611/


Thewikipedian 14:39, 1 March 2005 (UTC+1)

Link country names and codes[edit]

Would it be practical to link all the country names and codes to Communications in (Country) rather than (Country) articles? -- Chuq 04:19, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The country code usually links to the Telephone numbers in Country article while the name of the country links to the Country article. Persons who read this list might be interested in an article about a particular country (e. g. "Why is Bhutan a country? I thought it was an alkane?????") or about area codes in a country ("I got a phone call from +491888*******, which city and country is that?"), but not in a "Communications in X" article. -- Dynam1te3 (talk) 14:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Spain and France codes[edit]

Is there a reason why the calling code of European countries such as France and Spain only have two digits (+33 and +34 respectively) while the calling codes of other countries such as Portugal (+351) have three? -- Pecholobo 23:31, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would guess it's because France and Spain had much larger populations at the time, or were earlier adopters. After handing out a bunch of two-digit codes to the larger countries, they probably realised they wouldn't have enough to go round, so they split the un-used numbers (ie. +35) into additional ranges (+351 - +359) -- Chuq 23:14, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
i wonder if it had anything to do with the length of phone numbers in those countries and trying to minimise the length of the longest international numbers. Are there any official documents on the selection process for the codes publically availible? Plugwash 01:40, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, from about 1960, prior to the worldwide plan, there was a regional country code plan of two-digit codes covering Europe, western Asia and northern Africa, with codes beginning with anything between about 20 and 69. Some codes were the same as they are now (Greece, France, Italy, Britain, Sweden, West Germany); others are different. Perhaps there had already been a small start to implementation by those countries, when the worldwide plan was adopted in 1964. Even then, there have been changes over the years... Peru was 596 at first, and changed in the early 1970s. Cuba, Thailand, Vietnam have two-digit codes, but relative size suggests a three-digit code would make more sense. GBC 05:23, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
In former times, two-digit codes were given to large countries while small ones got 3 digit ones. Today, however, newly assigned codes are always 3 digits. Old two-digit assignments are grandfathered and exist only for historic reasons. -- 2001:A60:21D2:8001:99A4:7A1D:3D46:8A31 (talk) 15:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Some History?[edit]

A little history section would round this article off nicely. Can anyone help with this? (I wouldn't know where to begin!) Seabhcán 01:02, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Initial History section was added; linked to WTNG which has some detailed history Dl2000 04:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Role of ITU[edit]

These codes are essentially what is defined by the (ITU as ITU Operational Bulletin No 719 (there is more recent) "Dialling procedures (International Prefix, National (Trunk) Prefix and National (Significant) Number) (In Accordance with ITU-T Recommendation E.164 (05/97)). A reference should be made to this document/organisation. Also the procedure for getting a new code should be discussed. -- Softgrow 01:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC). I've just put in a link to E.164 that covers this off --Softgrow 09:44, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Trinidad and Tobago[edit]

I eliminated the following eyesore:

"+1(868)620, 1(868)678, 1(868)700 to 1868(799), 1(868)680 to 1(868)689 = Trinidad and Tobago-Cellular"

as a separate listing below that of Trinidad and Tobago. The fact that the international dialing code is 1-868 has already been stated, there is no need to expand into prefixes. -- 24.113.90.217 (talk) 17:03, 29 December 2005‎ (UTC)

Information copied to List of mobile phone number series by country where it will be more at home. -- 79.70.238.48 (talk) 08:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hong Kong and Macao[edit]

There was a tussle about this a year or so ago. There are those who want to regard Hong Kong and Macao as part of China, without distinction. There are those who want them listed separately without any reference to China. I regard "(S.A.R.)" (special administrative region) as a workable compromise which acknowledges China as sovereign authority, but as distinct regions. Can we please return to that middle-ground compromise, unless someone has a better compromise to suggest? GBC 17:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Italy, Vatican and San Marino[edit]

An interesting thing. Italy has a calling space too. Vatican and San Marino are considered part of Italian telephone area, so an Italian/Vatican/"Sammarinese" needs no int'l dialling code to call someone south of the Alps.

Ok, I've been clear like a foggy day, se here's some

EXAMPLES (with fictional numbers, of course).

Davide, Italian, lives in Bari (my home town ^_^) and his phone is 080-5555555. Matteo, Sammarinese, lives in Serravalle and his phone is 0549-7777777. Thomas, German, lives in Munich and his phone is 089-2222222

Practice

Davide calls Matteo: he does no +378, but calls 0549-7777777. Thomas calls Matteo: he does +378 and then the 7777777 (with or without 0549).

Finally, a Vatican telephone is considered exactly as a Roman one, hence the "prefisso" 06. To be honest, Vatican City has an int'l code (+379) but it's still unused.

I hope that: 1) this can be useful; 2) my English was good; 3) this world can be a better place to live. --Frank87 14:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Zone 2 Mostly Africa[edit]

Shouldn't this just say Africa? The only country I noticed that was questionable on there was Ascension Island. Is this not considered part of Africa or South America?

"Most of Africa" is not correct. Every single country* on the African continent has a zone 2 country code, indeed, technically, it covers a bit of Asia as Egypt extends. "Mostly Africa" is more correct because most of 2xx is Africa, and all of Africa is 2xx. There are areas completely external to Africa, adjacent to America and Europe, that use 2xx codes. GBC 20:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(* Ceuta and Melilla are not covered by a 2xx code, but they are part of Spanish sovereignty and included under 34. The Western Sahara is indeterminate.)
Neither +297 Aruba, +298 Faroe Islands nor +299 Greenland are anywhere near Africa. So no, this shouldn't just say "Africa". Coopdot (talk) 16:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed dead link[edit]

The external link under "Zone 3 - Europe" (http://europa.eu/en/record/green/gp9611/) points to a non-existing page. I removed it but was not able to find an alternative source. (Roy Berkeveld 62.131.71.8 19:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC))

Deleted Link Question[edit]

I am new to Wikipedia and would like to understand why a link I submitted (http://www.the-acr.com/codes/cntrycd.htm) to the "External Links" was deleted? Thank you for any assistance.Bbowenjr 12:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's a hint: studysphere.com and other spammy links such as acr.com have been campaign-spammed to Wikipedia; see 29 November 2006 discussion at WT:WPSPAM. Bbowenjr added them to a wide range of articles from Dental implants to Military robots. There's been a misconception among some spamdexers that if they get a link deleted they can question the deletion on the talk page and still get the page rank benefit; this is wrong since all Wikipedia talk and user page links are automatically coded with the html tag rel="nofollow"; search engine bots don't follow these links. --A. B. 23:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, the link you submitted hasn't been updated in several years, showing, for example, Guam as +671 instead of +1-671, and listing Yugoslavia, Zaire and Zanzibar. Linking should be made to up-to-date sources, such as has been done with WTNG. --Glenn L 06:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Usage[edit]

There needs to be something that tells people how to use them, gives them an example for instance.

that's the reason many people would visit this page, after all. To find out how to call someone abroad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.167.233.7 (talkcontribs) 00:08 13 November 2006 (UTC)

i DEFINITELY AGREE. I came here after get information from another site that was, for my purposes (using a calling card), wrong. But This Wik article looks more like a diagram for electrical circuitry students.Kdammers (talk) 05:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, then you would be looking in the wrong place, because it is up to your phone company to decide how you actually make international calls. I would try looking here for that. - Keith D. Tyler 07:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, that doesn't give the completely right information etiehr. Kdammers (talk) 12:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think linking to List of international call prefixes would make sense. -- Dynam1te3 (talk) 14:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Tristan da Cunha and +290[edit]

Tristan da Cunha (country code +290) Communication of 15.XII.2006:

The Office of Communications (Ofcom), London, in consultation with the Director of TSB, announces that the E.164 country code “290”, formerly assigned to the Administration of the United Kingdom solely for the British Overseas territory of Saint Helena, will henceforth be shared with the British overseas territory of Tristan da Cunha. The basis of the sharing will be that after the E.164 country code “290”, four-digit national numbers commencing with the initial digit “3” will be assigned to Tristan da Cunha, whilst national numbers commencing with the initial digits “1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9” will remain assigned to Saint Helena.

[contact info removed to prevent spam]

http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-t/oth/02/02/T02020000ED0002MSWE.doc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glenn L (talkcontribs) 02:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

According to WTNG, Tristan da Cunha's correct dialing code is +290 (8) and not +290 (3) as previously announced. Glenn L 07:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Space[edit]

The international space station is now permanently manned at all times. Of course, it does not have telephones, and can rely only on a patch into the telephone network through Mission Control in Houston or Moscow. At what point should it, or any other outpost in space, be added to this list as a point with no country code? Probably when operators, at least, are given instructions on how to connect calls to those locations, whether or not a "desk phone" or "wall phone" is aboard that outpost.

Of course, the first space phone call, I believe, was from +1 202-456-1414 to Tranquility Base, the Moon, on July 21, 1969, UTC. The White House would have received a phone bill showing a call to Houston, Texas. GBC 21:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I just learned from a news article the other day - re the visit of astronaut Julie Payette to Whitehorse, YT - that the international space station has two telephones for outgoing calls only. GBC 16:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I imagine if POTS still exists in a meaningfull form when there is major activity in earth/lunar space and/or on the moons surface that spacephone networks will get thier own country codes just like satphone networks do now. Talking to the moon on the phone will be pretty painfull though (over 2 second round trip time even for the most direct of links). Further out the delays will repaidly make phone calls impractical. Plugwash 22:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
The situation on the ISS is similar to Antarctica and Kosovo. These places have no country codes and if they want numbers they need to get numbers from somewhere else. -- 2001:A60:21D2:8001:99A4:7A1D:3D46:8A31 (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Can someone help me?[edit]

I'm attempting to expand this article but I've come across something I don't understand about number formats. Could someone educate me? Take the number: 03)9690-9999 (fake, obviously). Can someone deconstruct it?Yeago 15:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't really understand what did you mean. This article is about country calling codes, i.e codes that are used when calling to other countries, not about numbering formats. You may want to take a look at telephone numbering plan.--Joshua Say "hi" to me!What have I done? 16:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Right, but in the above example I am not sure what part indicates the country calling code. Can someone please deconstruct the pieces of the above number?Yeago 17:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I think there is no country calling code in the above number. the "03" part is the area code and the "9690-9999" is the subscriber number.--Joshua Say "hi" to me!What have I done? 02:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks like an Australian number Victoria - try + 61 3 9690 9999 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.137.193.91 (talkcontribs) 17:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

As I had noted above, there is no country code in the above number. It looks like an Australian phone number, but I could also say that it resembles a number in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - +60 3 9690 9999. But please be considerate and don't try the number.--Joshua Say "hi" to me!What have I done? 04:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be in France. France has one-digit area codes followed by eight-digit numbers. All French numbers are always dialled as 0x.xx.xx.xx.xx. But it could also be in Germany, somewhere in the so-called "new states" (former East Germany). Or it might be in Italy... To cut a long story short, it's not clear what country your number belongs to because the country code is missing and nothing else indicates the country. -- Dynam1te3 (talk) 14:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

External Link Proposition[edit]

This page has a downloadable CSV list of all these country calling codes and area codes. It is a useful resource because it offers the same data in a more usable format. Should we add it to the External Link section? Hathawayc 19:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Since there's no objection, I'll go ahead and post it.Hathawayc 20:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

accuracy[edit]

NANP country code is 1. But there are several countries sharing this NANP country code, namely 1 and only 1. To reach those countries, the NANP area code must be dialed. This page creates non-existing country codes for most of the NANP countries, that's not correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.228.1.81 (talk) 14:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

North Korean International vs. Local Numbers[edit]

I read that in order to call to the British embassy in North Korea, it's necessary to call the "381" number, while when calling locally it's necessary to call a "382" number.[1] The page states that it is not possible to call a 381 number from a 382 number, or vice-versa. What does this mean? What is the difference between these numbers? mdkarazim (talk) 21:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt say that. It doesnt say anything like that about Korea. ? AreTeeGee (talk) 00:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know, it is true that North Korean communication networks come with some really strange restrictions. For instance, I have read somewhere that North Korea was operating a cell service for tourists which supports *international* but not domestic calling. I have also heard that if someone in North Korea is allowed to use email, then their foreign contacts have to register with North Korean authorities before they can send email to North Korea. I don't know anything about 381 and 382 numbers, though. -- 2001:A60:21D2:8001:B151:E5CB:EDFE:97C6 (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Structure is awful[edit]

Pardon me, I havent really read any content on this page and am sure it has a lot of correct info about international dialling codes but I came looking for the info and it was all letters and numbers that the average Joe will not understand. It may seem to me that someone with a great knowledge has put it together in a way that they would find it in a book for experts but I propose that I will at least come back here and re arrange the lists so that the humanly understandable alpha beta comes first and the expert letter number data come last.

  • Proposal:
    1. Alphabet
    2. Numbered list (Entitled:Zones)
    3. "At a glance" computerised numberish data (ie: numberish data is unlikely to provide some foreign dial code "at a glance" so the expert providing the data sheet should name it correctly too and the alphabetic style should be labelled at a glance)

Anyway, it doesnt look like a flood of people will respond to this but I'll leave it here a couple of days and then go changing the list so that it is easy to reference.

  • Suggestion:
    • That the "history" come further up the list possibly subcategoried under "In depth". AreTeeGee (talk) 00:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

the number of the[edit]

+999 – reserved for future global service WTF kind of satanic BS is that, it's the only such number reserved and I guess they couldn't make it 666 now could they? Aether22 (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Liechtenstein part of Czechoslovakia?[edit]

Does anybody know why Liechtenstein has the code starting with +42x (i.e. former Czechoslovakia)? Naturally, +420 and +421 are used by both, the Czech and Slovak republics, but Liechtenstein was existing before the breakup of CS. What did they use before and why did it change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.95.102.226 (talk) 10:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

According to this article, old assignments in Europe were sometimes 2-digit prefixes but all new assignments are 3-digit prefixes; when Czechoslovakia broke up and gave up +42, the new assignments for Czech Republic and Slovakia followed this policy leaving +422 through +429 available for any other country. This was all completed by 1997, again according to this article.
According to +423, Liechtenstein was originally part of the Swiss telephone numbering plan (which means it shared the +41 code with the rest of Switzerland). When they decided to give Liechtenstein its own calling code around 1999, +423 was chosen from the prefixes available for use. Anomie 11:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

User-assigned alpha-2 codes[edit]

It appears that in the table, some unrecognized republics are listed with alpha-2 country codes starting with "Q":

And some international services are listed with country codes starting with "X":

I know that ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes from "QM" to "QZ" and "XA" to "XZ" are user-assigned. I was curious as to who assigned them. I can't seem to get a source for them anywhere. Are they made up for this page or are they consistent with some other usage? --71.141.128.55 (talk) 15:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

They're almost certainly made up by whoever added them to the table, and should probably be removed. Really, IMO, that whole table needs to be either removed or revised so that it doesn't have to require a maximized browser window on a widescreen monitor to be viewed without horizontal scrolling. Anomie 17:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo: +381 or +422 ? And symbol .ks ?[edit]

I notice that in the second and third parts of this site Kosovo has been given the previously-unassigned country code of +422. However, +422 is still BLANK (--) in the first section, implying (as WTNG states) that Kosovo is still part of +381 Serbia. Which is correct?

Update: On a potentially related note, I see that the UN at http://www.ks.undp.org/ is using ks as an abbreviation for Kosovo. Could this signify the future use of .ks (presently unused except as .ks.us for Kansas) as Kosovo's internet code? Well, this thread - http://www.dnxpert.com/2008/02/18/what-will-be-the-kosovo-cctld/ - shows how some have debated as well as what must happen BEFORE Kosovo gets its own ccTld code.

Update #2: The second and third parts of this site no longer assign a country code for Kosovo, and +422 is again unassigned. Instead, Kosovo still shares the +381 country code with Serbia. Thanks for the correction.

Update #3: Not only the UN (see my first Update above) but Kosovo itself is also using ks in its official website http://www.ks-gov.net/ (in English, http://www.ks-gov.net/portal/eng.htm ).

Glenn L (talk) 07:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I got an update on this. Until now, Kosovo had no country code; Kosovan phone operators use to use numbers from Slovenia, Monaco and Serbia. This may soon change. There are talks about giving Kosovo the country code +383 or +384. -- 2001:A60:21D2:8001:B151:E5CB:EDFE:97C6 (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:ReunionFlag.gif[edit]

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Thank you bot, it has been removed. Anomie 11:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Any information on the order?[edit]

Hello! Has anyone information about what system was/is used for the order of the calling codes? E.g. Germany has 49 and Mexico has 51 although I cannot see any link (geographically or of other kind) to the closeness of the numbers.

Thanks a lot! --89.246.12.51 (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe it was the ITU (or an early version of such) that came up with the numbers. It certainly seems that the first digit is related to the continent or similar region. So Mexico is 51 because it was likely the earliest Latin American country to get a code. The 4 in Germany's 49 is one of Europe's two numerals. - Keith D. Tyler 18:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

That explanation seems comprehensible, thank you! --89.246.23.221 (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Southeast Asia mixup?[edit]

Why does every resource on the planet consider Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia "Southeast Asia" except this one? Strange that only Thailand got listed under "Southeast Asia" given that they are all within the same peninsula. Since when have these countries been considered East Asia? VietGrant (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Perhaps you should propose new section headings. Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia will have to remain separate from Thailand on this list, though, as the grouping is by prefix and not by region. Anomie 12:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Uh... Okay. I formally propose that the section headings be edited. Now could someone with knowledge of this industry do it? I don't know anything about the industry, but I do know that Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos are NOT in East Asia. VietGrant (talk) 05:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
    Err, I'm sorry I wasn't clear. There's no need to make a formal proposal, someone just needs to suggest what exactly the new headings should be. Anomie 12:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

New Discussion[edit]

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

WTNG external link proposal[edit]

I'd like to propose that the World Telephone Numbering Guide [2] be added to the list of external links. It was just updated last week and has info on calling nearly every location on the planet.

Glenn L (talk) 07:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd support it's re-inclusion. It was removed in this edit which when looking at the comments looks like a revert of anon-edit but is something else instead. It's a useful site and gives some good historical information. Alex Sims (talk) 10:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Who is calling Asterisk AGI script[edit]

Consider inclusion of [3] - script which decodes internation phone number and displays information on who is calling (automatically when you get a call through Asterisk PBX) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.201.62.154 (talk) 12:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

That would not be relevant to the topic of this article; Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. Anomie 13:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Consistency with Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR)[edit]

I am going to make some edits to the country names to make them consistent with the country names listed in the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR). This allows the Complete Listing section of the page to be used as a data source for software applications. I have started the IntelliParse project on SourceForge and this data will be used there. kevinp2 (talk) 14:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I had to make duplicate entries for the two Congo countries kevinp2 (talk) 15:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Changed Cote de Ivore to just Ivory Coast. China (PRC) to just China. Cape Verde Islands to just Cape Verde kevinp2 (talk) 15:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Fiji Islands to just Fiji. Micronesia (Federated States) to just Micronesia (with a link).
Gabonese Republic to just Gabon. Hong Kong to Hong Kong SAR China kevinp2 (talk) 16:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Kyrgyz Republic to Kyrgyzstan. St. Kitts/Nevis to Saint Kitts and Nevis. Korea (North) to North Korea. Korea (South) to South Korea. St. Lucia to Saint Lucia. kevinp2 (talk) 17:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Mali Republic to Mali. Macao to Macau SAR China. Northern Marianas Islands (Saipan, Rota, and Tinian) to Northern Mariana Islands. kevinp2 (talk) 18:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
St. Pierre and Miquelon to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. Palestinian Settlements to Palestinian Territory. kevinp2 (talk) 18:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Réunion Island to Reunion. Rwandese Republic to Rwanda. Seychelles Republic to Seychelles. St. Helena to Saint Helena. kevinp2 (talk) 18:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Slovak Republic to Slovakia. Somali Democratic Republic to Somalia. São Tomé and Principe to Sao Tome and Principe. Togolese Republic to Togo. Tonga Islands to Tonga. kevinp2 (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
United States of America to United States.kevinp2 (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Vatican City to Vatican. St. Vincent and Grenadines to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. US Virgin Islands to U.S. Virgin Islands. Wallis and Futuna Islands to Wallis and Futuna. Mayotte Island to Mayotte. kevinp2 (talk) 19:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Generated output is now available from the IntelliParse SourceForge repository. It is licensed using the Apache License 2.0 and may be used by anyone in open or proprietary software applications. kevinp2 (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I have some concerns about your edits. Some of them, like China (PRC) --> China is clearly against Wikipedia consensus. Actually, I doubt that there is a need for the "Complete Listing" section in the article.--Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 12:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
For that matter, why use CLDR names instead of the names in the official ITU code assignment? Anomie 12:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I am just trying to scrape the Wikipedia page and use consistent country names that can be data-mined easily. I don't have any stake in which China is which. The CLDR names are used by operating system and other software makers to easily find countries unambiguously. The ITU codes are focused on unambiguous country dialing codes, not unambiguous country names. E.g. Puerto Rico, an unincorporated territory of the US, entitled to its own Olympic team is only represented by 1, which does not distinguish it sufficiently from the United States proper. CLDR assigns codes of PR and US which are unambiguous. I understand that China (PRC) vs. China (ROC) can be controversial, but perhaps we can add a footnote or a comment column. kevinp2 (talk) 18:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

List of national dialing plans[edit]

after some searching, i found a page at the ITU website which has nearly all national dialing plans:

http://www.itu.int/oth/T0202.aspx?parent=T0202

I think this link would really be useful for some people because many countries still lack an article about their national numbering plan. -- Dynam1te3 (talk) 13:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Error in new ITU list of country codes[edit]

As noted in the main article, the ITU on 15 April 2009 updated its list of E.164 country codes, which is an important basis for Wikipedia's List of country calling codes. That list (found at http://www.itu.int/publ/T-SP-E.164D-2009/en) correctly notes the discontinuation of codes +871, +872, +873 and +874 since the Innmarsat SNAC code +870 is now fully operational. However, the list contains at least one error: the French Departmental Collectivity of Mayotte is incorrectly assigned country code +269 (Union of the Comoros) instead of +262 (French Departments and Territories in the Indian Ocean, which it shares with Réunion). I have informed the ITU at the eMail address contained within the list of this error so it quickly can be corrected. Glenn L (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Merging Complete list and In depth list?[edit]

Should the Complete list and In depth list be merged? It is a lot of duplication in the page currently. In a table the columnes can be sorted. TeleCell (talk) 20:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Abkhazia edit wars[edit]

There appears to be an "edit war" here as to whether the Abkhazia region within Georgia should show its phone code as the new +7 840 (landline) and +7 940 (cellular), or keep the old +995 44 code. GeorgiaTimes would seem to support the former, and perhaps the link to their article at http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/?area=articleCommentationController&action=add&article=22792 should be used both here and in Abkhazia and Telephone numbers in Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glenn L (talkcontribs) 13:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree, obviously. But unless we get a supportive consensus here, I'm done with reverting that SPA. Anomie 13:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Since both Abkhazia and Telephone numbers in Russia both use the new area codes (which took effect this past Sunday, though +995 44 is to be supported until year-end), I used the above link in both articles. ---Glenn L (talk) 14:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I changed the page without noticing that there was an edit war going on. I don't see what's controversial about this though.sephia karta | di mi 15:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

We can't really know until Lekim74 deigns to comment, but my guess is that it's pro-Georgia nationalism objecting to the fact of the change and thinking keeping it out of this article will somehow make a difference. Anomie 16:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm just content in letting Lekim74 commit a Wikipedia:Three-revert rule violation, which he appears to be likely to do. ---Glenn L (talk) 08:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
So far not, he seems to only be active during a certain part of the day and just doesn't revert often enough to cross that line. But he is certainly WP:Edit warring; his only edits are reverts to this article. Anomie 13:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Reported to WP:EWN. Anomie 12:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Spartaz Responds:

(Result: not 3RR see note below)

  • I can't in conscience block them right off as they are very new but you have invited them to discuss and if there is further reversions without discussions please leave a note on my talk page and I'll take care of them. Spartaz Humbug! 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

---Glenn L (talk) 16:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Lekim74 I do not really agree that it is an edit war at all. You should know that Abkhazia is an integral part of Georgia. Only Russia. Nicaragua and “Hamas” has recognized independence of Abkhazia. As for the country code- indeed, Russia has assigned Abkhazia its code, like to its region or province. I am sure, that Abkhazians did not struggled for so long time in order to become a province of Russia. Internationally, it is ITU that assigns codes to the countries and not a particular country. ITU is an UN organization that does not recognize Abkhazia as an independent country.

You should also know, that I am not a nationalist, I just want international society not to be mislead. You can block only me, but not the whole country and the people who want the truth to be written in Wikipedia. Why you do not block the other side, who also makes the changes very often? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekim74 (talkcontribs) 11:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

It certainly is an edit war: "An edit war occurs when individual contributors or groups of contributors repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than try to resolve the disagreement by discussion". That describes exactly what you did. As for the rest:
  • According to every news source I can find, Abkhazia does not consider itself "an integral part of Georgia". Rather, it would prefer to be considered an independent country.
  • Despite your assurance, news reports indicate that the government of the region welcomes the opportunity to use codes in zone 7, despite that being Russia's, and there are no reports of dissent among the populace. Also, BTW, it could be seen as an arrangement similar to that of zone 1 rather than as implying that the region is a province of Russia.
  • While the first source of information in this article is the assignments of the ITU, this article also includes various sub-assignments where a country is not assigned a code by the ITU.
  • Whether or not you are a nationalist, you are pushing a pro-Georgia point of view here. This impression is not helped by your statement that we can block you "but not the whole country".
  • The threshold of inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. If you can provide reliable sources to show that Abkhazia has not begun to use +7 840 and +7 940 and/or will not be turning off +995 44 in January 2010, please let us know. Otherwise, we'll have to stick with what The New York Times and other news sources actually report.
Please, do not continue to remove the information from this article without consensus. Thanks. Anomie 14:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I concur with what Anomie said, and I would like to add that what this article does is list what country calling codes are used where. It is undeniably a verifiable fact that Abkhazia has started to use +7 840 and +7 940. No politics enter into this. sephia karta | di mi 15:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I too concur. And thanks Anomie for fixing the reference tag to GeorgiaToday. I prefer their article over the New York Times one because it includes the new +7 area codes Abkhazia is using (840 and 940), while still stating that the +995 code (44) is still in use for the rest 2009. ---Glenn L (talk) 03:47, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, it is quite disappointing that we are having this political controvercy over an essentially technical issue. I think a lot of people use this page as a source of technical information - we do so for our internal telephone billing purposes, for example. So the page really needs to be technically accurate. Let's try to take the politics out, and make sure that the list works? I am putting in Abkhazia with both codes to be able to use this information for billing - I need to be able to see that my Russian subscribers are calling another country, not a national destination. I also suggest neutral titles to the respective sections. Sillypinguin (talk) 09:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
That would be nice, yes. But do remember that although it's good that you find Wikipedia useful in your business, Wikipedia is not here to be directly useable for that purpose; it might work better for you to copy the needed information into a local database on your end. Anomie 13:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've changed the article source used here and in Abkhazia and Telephone numbers in Russia to Abkhazia remains available by Georgian phone codes to reflect the +995 44 code's not being turned off on 1 January 2010 as expected. --Glenn L (talk) 19:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

External link suggestion.[edit]

I was going to suggest this link right next to the current ICU link with the words HTML verision. i.e. ", (HTML verision)" as it doesn't require the user downloading either an Acrobat or Word file to display. CaribDigita (talk) 00:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The link you suggested has different content to the Word/Acrobat documents. One is the actual ITU recommendation for country codes, another is a list of links to National Numbering Plans. Alex Sims (talk) 08:14, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Change and reason[edit]

Changed two of the country abbreviations to comply with their international standard:

Iraq changed from IQ to IZ

Kuwait changed from KW to KU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.106.99.209 (talk) 02:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what international standard you are referring to, but the ISO 3166-1 standard we use here specifies IQ for Iraq and KW for Kuwait. See [4] for more. Anomie 02:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

What is the point of the map?[edit]

There is no key, so the colours do not mean anything at all apart from being a pretty introduction to the page. It might as well not be there. 86.174.87.102 (talk) 13:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It still lets you see how the different regions are grouped, even though you have to read the article (or at least the TOC) and have a basic knowledge of geography to find out that dark blue is zone 1, light green is zone 2, and so on. Anomie 15:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Shared Codes[edit]

Is there a reason that +1 is the only country code shared by two or more nations that had started out as separate nations when the codes were assigned? The only other shared codes on this table are codes such as +7 shared between Russia and Kazakhstan, but inherited from their former status as parts of a single nation (the USSR), and a few codes shared between former colonies of a single nation. Why didn't any regional numbering plans other than the NANP come about? 70.191.243.130 (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

There were indeed attempts to implement something like this.
  • For example, there used to be plans to create a common dialling system for the Magrhreb countries. However, even though ITU had already assigned a country code for this system, it was never implemented.
  • There was also a proposal to create a common dialling plan for Europe. However, this plan would have added an additional tier to the dialling system - i. e. there would have been a shared country code for Europe, and within that code, there would have been national country codes and within those country codes, there would have been the old area codes. Placing an international call would have required the calling party to dial 000 instead of 00. The whole proposal was rejected because it would only have created confusion without any benefits.
  • There was also another proposal for Europe. The idea was to create a shared country code for pan-european non-geographic phone numbers which would exist alongside the national country codes. Subscribers were supposed to have the option to choose between a national number and an ETNS number. This proposal was actually implemented. ITU actually assigned the +3883 country code to the European Union for this purpose and a number registry was established. Under EU law, all phone operators were even required to route to ETNS numbers at domestic rates. However, this rule was never enforced, so most operators didn't actually route to ETNS numbers and those who did charged excessive rates of around €3/min. Finding an operator which would actually offer ETNS numbers was pretty hard. There were only one or two operators offering them (that is, for really expensive prices). I think that under these circumstances, you will understand that only very few subscribers had an ETNS number. Eventually, ETNS was shut down because it was not really used.
So, in fact there were attempts to create shared codes. I think that the main reason for such lack of shared codes is that those folks who design the dialling plans want to structure them in the same way as the regulatory regimes. That means that a shared country code would mean that the countries involved would have to establish a common regulation authority. If you don't do that, you will end up with different numbering ranges in the same dialling plan that play by different rules. For instance, if you call the Bahamas from the US, you have to dial your call as domestic but it gets billed as international (which is not what most people would expect). In addition to that, you may be charged a surcharge for calling a cell phone even though your own country uses the RPP system. Another issue that arises is that in a shared country code, countries have to coordinate number management together. For instance, this means that no NANP country can implement ENUM on their own. They have to form a shared enum registry and that registry has to delegate individual NANP area codes to national ENUM registries.
I think that in the light of all of these issues, it is understandable that no other shared CC has been created. There are close to no benefits while the obstacles are huge. -- 2001:A60:21D2:8001:B80A:DE00:3136:D985 (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

tree not clear[edit]

lotta great work in this article the tree code at a glance was not at all clear to me; maybe a couple of fully worked out examples would make it clearer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.195.10.169 (talk) 14:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by "tree code at a glance"? What's the problem? The table at the top of the page lists country codes grouped in rows by first digit and then in columns by second digit. You can pretty mich ignore the 1,2,3,4... along the top and down the side; it's pretty obvious what the country codes are: +20, +33, +65, etc. The codes are listed with their ISO 3166 two-letter country code. 109.176.254.230 (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)