Talk:List of eponyms (A–K)
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- 1 Eponyms?
- 2 Relevant discussions copied over from talk:eponym
- 3 List of spurious or unreal etymologies
- 4 Merge from Kafkaesque
- 5 Potential additions
- 6 Merge from List of eponymous musical terms
- 7 Unexplained eponyms
- 8 How about a list of REAL eponyms?
- 9 Dashes
In situations where the name of something is derived from someone's status or title (e.g. The Giant's causeway being named after the giant Fionn mac Cumhaill), not specifically their name, does that count as an eponym? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:41, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Relevant discussions copied over from talk:eponym
- Done! Jay 10:04, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
There are some websites that have fictious stories about the origins of some terms. Perhaps originally written for fun, they turn up in many articles and appear to be genuine. The list is provided here so they don't get into the page. Jay 07:47, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
It would appear that this list is inconsistently sorted (e. g. Alice Lidell is listed under A). Also, I'm unsure under what letter should Prince Albert(his full name/title is 'Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Francis Augustus Charles Albert Emanuel)' so there's plenty of choice ;)) be listed. Jergosh 22:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
List of spurious or unreal etymologies
|Asphalt||Leopold von Asphalt126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:41, 4 October 2013 (UTC)|
|Binge||Sir Oswald Binge|
|Cabaret||Antoine de Cabaret|
|Comma||Domenico da Comma|
|Condom||Earl of Condom|
|Crapper||Thomas Crapper (only a coincidence; word preceded him)|
|Curry||Sir George Curry|
|Litre||Claude Émile Jean-Baptiste Litre|
|Lager beer||Gottfried and/or Sigmund Lager|
|Salon||Marquise Henriette de Salon|
Merge from Kafkaesque
[[Brechtian]] [[Borges|Borgesian]] [[Lord Byron|Byronic]] [[Cartesian]] [[Dickensian]] [[Draco (lawgiver)|Draconian]] [[Joycean]] [[Lovecraftian]] [[Machiavellianism|Machiavellian]] [[Nabokov|Nabokovian]] [[Orwellian]] [[Pinteresque]] [[Sadistic]]/[[Sadism and masochism|Sadism]] [[Tolkienesque]]
- Are some of these not worth adding? It seems like any name could trivially be made into an eponym, (ad hoc for a review of an author's work for instance) and such usage would not merit a freestanding article—in fact, many of the above links are redirects or WP:DICDEFs, but probably matters little for this merge—but should they still get a mention on this list? Should any of the above be discarded?
- Is there an article (or a word) for eponyms based on author's names?
There's Kafkaesque, Pinteresque, Tolkienesque here. What about Beatlesque and Gilliamesque, two -esque eponyms right after Kafkaesque in popularity, and probably on par with Tolkienesque? --188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Merge from List of eponymous musical terms
How about a list of REAL eponyms?
Wow, most of the names in the list on this page are not eponyms at all. If Mr John Smith designed a test, and his test is called Smith's Test, well, that's not an eponym. Or if Mrs Jane Smith wrote in a particular style, and other works in that style is called Smithesque, well, that's not an eponym. The point of an eponym is that the word originated from the person's name but is no longer associated with that person in any way. If the meaning of a word is "related to person X" then it is not an eponym. The same can be said for trademarks or trade names that are named after a person who was involved in that trade. Can "Ford" really be called an eponym, just because it was named after Henry Ford?
Here's a nice little rule of thumb (works in most cases): if a modern English dictionary entry of that word writes the word with a capital initial, then it is probably not an eponym. Wikipedia sometimes uses a capital letter where modern dictionaries use lowercase, e.g. "caesarean section".
I realise that there is an itch to add to a long list, but if the list criteria is watered down, the list becomes useless as a list. Is there any way to trim this list without offending those who added the non-eponyms? Perhaps by writing real eponyms in bold? -- leuce (talk) 08:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Disagree about what is a REAL eponym
Many eponyms are capitalized and still associated with the person's name. Marxism and Kelvin scale are two examples. Their usage can be found in this Wikipedia guide on language usage. The three example listed in the first paragraph above are also eponyms, Smith's test, Smithesque, and Ford. To be generally accepted, the first two would require widespread usage, not just somebody's family or neighbors using the term. When a car is called a "Ford", as in the statement, "Look at that green Ford."; the word Ford is an eponym.
I do agree some of the words on the list may not be eponyms. I don't think A&M records or RSA qualify. What I question most is the need for this list at all. As mentioned above, these type list are a magnet for everyone to add their favorite examples. The fact that these words are eponyms is not a notable fact. If the word is notable it should have its own article, like Faraday constant, Celsius, and Chusing's disease. The article on eponyms should include some examples of the most common words and different ways they are formed. I think the rest have no place in an encyclopedia and all the list should be deleted including the category list in the main article. Anybody else have an opinion on the notability of these lists? Probing Mind (talk) 03:34, 9 December 2012 (UTC)