Talk:List of hoaxes

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Known pranksters, scam artists and impostors[edit]

Two names -- Robert Hastings and Robert Salas -- were added to this list in recognition of their work and due service regarding the "The Echo Flight UFO Incident (March 16, 1967)" and "The Oscar Flight UFO Incident (March 24, 1967)" UFO hoaxes. Citing is complete; further details can also be noted at Malmstrom Air Force Base, under the section "Alleged UFO incident," and List of UFO-related hoaxes under the section "Hoaxes involving military incidents." Separate recognition of "James Klotz" of CUFON, co-author with Robert Salas of the book "Faded Giant," was not considered necessary due to his relatively inactive role in the presentation of these hoaxes. Although co-author with Salas of the book initially bringing together disparate details of these hoaxes, it is believed that his role was merely that of a publisher, proof reader, and researcher. The primary claims themselves were presented by Robert Salas and, at a later date, Hastings alone. Signed, James Carlson

I understand the gravity of using an IP address system as opposed to registering my name as an editor, but I have made my associated email address easily available to all members of the public through my own research and writings, and have already been targeted by numerous scams and individuals attempting to slander my name through that email address. The only way to keep my discussions on Wikipedia free from that sort of retaliatory conduct is to make changes from my IP address alone. In this way, anything authored by others using my name can easily be determined as false. I've discovered under similar conditions throughout the internet that this can't be done safely under any registration associated with my email address, and since I now have only one computer, the IP address seems easiest to confirm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.70.229 (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

IRT the signing of additions; I understand now and I appreciate your help.--69.247.70.229 (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Corrected online.--69.247.70.229 (talk) 21:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert Salas restored[edit]

I have restored the entry for Robert Salas. It was removed by User: WalterHuston without discussion. The material is properly sourced. MrBill3 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

The inclusion of Robert Salas is discussed in the section aboveTalk:List_of_hoaxes#Known_pranksters.2C_scam_artists_and_impostors. Rather than repeated removal discussion on this talk page is appropriate per Wikipedia:Notability (people) the level of notability for inclusion on a list is substantially different than that for an article. This subject warrants discussion and there is already a section on this talk page to reach consensus before editing particularly once an edit has been performed and reverted per WP:BRD. Regarding the sources provided, the first is published by a notable source National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena, the second is a thoroughly sourced article although not published the article itself is well supported, the second is similar, as to the third whether it (and the other sources cited) is a reliable source for the this subject is a question that can be raised on the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard after some discussion and attempt to reach consensus here. Let's talk about this here rather than edit warring per WP:EW. MrBill3 (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi MrBill3, the material cited to "www.theufochronicles.com" and scribd.com documents don't meet WP:RS no matter what the threshold for notability is. Also the Nicap.org source mentions nothing about Salas or any hoax. I've asked for opinions at WP:FTN here. LuckyLouie (talk) 00:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Greetings LuckyLouie and thank you for your contributions to WP. If the items in question should be removed from the list I have no issue with that. My involvement came about only because the material was removed without discussion. Having looked at the history of this list it seems there has been some back and forth editing in the past without discussion. I think there are two issues that warrant discussion, is Robert Salas a notable enough "Known pranksters, scam artists and impostors" to be on this list is the first. The second, only needed as a follow up, is if the references cited meet WP:RS. The RS guideline has some flexibility I don't know if the references might squeak by. Of note much of the list lacks references. That the first source cited does not support the information is pretty convincing. The lack of publication of the scribd sources makes them tenuous at best. I am not sure what has been discussed about the source for the fourth ref, but I suspect it falls short of RS even for a specific topic. The inclusion of Robert Salas does not seem strongly supported and if there is no further objection on this talk page I will not contest it's removal nor restore it again. MrBill3 (talk) 02:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
No harm, no foul. After looking into the article history, it appears to have been an individual posting under the IP 69.247.70.229 strongly wishing to get their original research about an allegedly UFO related incident onto various Wikipedia articles, including this one. See:
69.247.70.229 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Unfortunately their personal research posted at scribd.com does not meet our requirements for reliable sources, and their habit of posting abusive rants to Talk pages such as this one didn't help their case. Of course, if their research is ever published in multiple, reliable sources we would be happy to include it. But until then, it really doesn't belong on Wikipedia. - LuckyLouie (talk) 02:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Material removed without discussion[edit]

The following two items were removed without discussion here:

I have restored them with the following references. [1] [2]

  1. ^ Brown, Dan (2003). The Da Vinci Code. Doubleday. ISBN 0385504209. 
  2. ^ Cohn, Norman (1966), Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World-Conspiracy and the Protocols of the Elder of Zion, New York: Harper & Row .

- - MrBill3 (talk) 08:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Remember The 13th NASA Hoax?[edit]

A countdown website that went viral on October 3, 2013, they had a special announcement for the world and everyone thought it was NASA. It was covered by major news outlets around the world. http://gooutside.uol.com.br/2434 http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/512195/20131008/nasa-rememberthe13th-fake-announcement-hoax-website.htm#.UlypUvLD-xn http://www.chron.com/news/article/Suspicious-website-cites-NASA-in-hyping-4869314.php It was a large trend on social media for a while. NASA was unable to comment due to government shutdown. Days later, It ended up being a hoax. Remember The 13th was mentioned on Alex Boese's Museum of Hoaxes. http://revistagalileu.globo.com/Revista/Common/0,,EMI343457-17770,00-DE+NOVEMBRO+O+MISTERIOSO+HOTSITE+DA+NASA+E+LEGITIMO.html http://news.ameba.jp/20131010-306/ http://technologie.gazeta.pl/internet/1,104530,14724944,Zapowiedz_najwiekszego_odkrycia_NASA_okazala_sie_byc.html http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/10/05/2013100502548.html?news_Head1 http://www.zdnet.co.kr/news/news_view.asp?artice_id=20131005225305 http://technologie.gazeta.pl/internet/1,104530,14724944,Zapowiedz_najwiekszego_odkrycia_NASA_okazala_sie_byc.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/10/04/remember_the_13th_viral_marketing_silliness.html http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/remember_the_13th_the_big_reveal

The same people behind this hoax was the same people involved in Brian's Announcement which can be found in the Brian Griffin article. http://www.dailydot.com/business/socialvevo-family-guy-hoax-company/ http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/the-mysterious-internet-marketing-of-socialvevo/story-fnjwmwrh-1226778110305 SocialVEVO is the name of the viral company who created these 2 viral sites and more. Many people also reported that remember the 13th could've been a phishing site to steal emails but it was never confirmed. The hoax is ranked as one of the top 10 best hoaxes of 2013. http://www.dailydot.com/lol/best-hoaxes-2013/

The hoax is mentioned even long after it was over. It is considered a notorious NASA hoax compared to the recent ones. http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/nasa-letter-hoax-fake-jamie-jones/— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.162.190.150 (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

A "hoax" that isn't a hoax[edit]

Hey, what do I do if a "hoax" is scheduled for deletion but I happen to know it's NOT a hoax: indeed, I can even provide one or more scholarly references therefor?

What do I do?

Oodly ooh? Bing bing bing bing BruceDavidWilner (talk) 19:29, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Providing more specifics generally gets you better advice, but based purely on what you have said here, providing third party, reliably published sources that discuss the subject in a significant manner is generally what needs to be done to save a page from deletion. :Personal knowledge of Wikipedia editors doesnt count. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)