Talk:List of jazz standards
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|This page was nominated for deletion on 2007,10-13. The result of the discussion was keep, no consensus to delete.|
- 1 Criteria for List
- 2 Linking
- 3 Items Removed
- 4 Gershwin, Kern, Rodgers & Hart, etc.?
- 5 The Purpose
- 6 I like this list
- 7 Related list that could be created for Wikipedia: Jazz tunes of disputed authorship and/or known under multiple titles
- 8 References
- 9 Proposed merger
- 10 I Remember Clifford 1937??? More like 1957, right?
- 11 criteria?
- 12 Issues about titles
Criteria for List
Interesting with a list of jazz pieces, but what should be the criteria for being on the list? It would, of course, be meaningless to have a list of all jazz pieces ever made. Should it be groundbreaking pieces? The best pieces?
Pharaohmø 14:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It would, of course, be meaningless to have a list of all jazz pieces ever made. Should it be groundbreaking pieces? The best pieces?
I agree, only the peices that were important to the history of jazz or popular jazz songs should be added. There is alsoanother problem: The links in this article tend to lead to different articles with the same name or disambugations. The links should always end at the exact article.
I deleted "Epitaph" from the Mingus sections. It's a 90 minute suite, and certainly not a jazz standard. I also deleted the Bob Graettinger section. Did anyone really perform his songs besides Stan Kenton? Apple Christmas 16:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Gershwin, Kern, Rodgers & Hart, etc.?
I think the idea behind this page is fundamentally flawed. Listing standards by "jazz" composers would leave out all the Tin Pan Alley guys who composed many of (most of?) the real jazz standards. I also think that without linking each song to a page about that song, this whole list will be meaningless. It would just be a list of song titles, and what good would that do anyone? Perhaps the article should be deleted? Apple Christmas 16:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- The problem about Tin Pan Alley standards was fixed when List of mainstream jazz standards was merged here. Jafeluv (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
A list of jazz titles is not meaningless, especially if it is categorized correctly. The list is also useful to people like me who research meaningless bits of data in order to write stories, or two people wishing to look at a reference list of musicians alongside the songs they wrote. The way I see it, however, is that the list should be organized by way of person or person(s) most responsible for the creation of the song. In this case, the Tin Pan Alley boys would have their own section IF it wasn't just one of them for creating the song.DaedalusMachina 17:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I like this list
Whether through sloppiness on the part of album annotators, bad communication from the artist, or outright deception, there is a substantial list of tunes where a writer is either omitted from the publishing credits or substituted altogether. For example:
Rue Chaptal/Royal Roost/Tenor Madness (as by Fats Navarro, Charlie Parker, Sonny Rollins, and many others), Steeplechase/Easy Swing (as by Charlie Parker, Wardell Gray), Eronel (a tune by Idrees Sulieman and Argonne Thornton a.k.a. Sadik Hakim with a small contribution from Thelonious Monk that is usually attributed soley to Monk), Tuxedo Junction/Artillerie Lourde (Erskine Hawkins tune "borrowed" by Django Reinhardt during a period when Nazi occupiers suppressed American swing tunes), St. Thomas (a traditional melody usually attributed to Sonny Rollins), Milestones, Donna Lee, Rifftide, Crazeology, Bouncing with Bud/Bebop in Pastel, Fool's Fancy/Wail, Four and Tune Up.
I guess the page could include sections on 1.) traditional tunes attributed to Jazz musicians (i.e. "St. Thomas") 2.) Jazz tunes of undisputed authorship known under multiple titles (i.e. "Sid's Delight/Tadd's Delight") 3.) Jazz Tunes known under two different titles, each attributed to different writers (i.e. "Steeplechase / Easy Swing" or "Royal Roost / Tenor Madness") 4.) Jazz tunes where all writers are not commonly acknowledged (i.e. "Eronel", or half the famous pieces by Duke Ellington) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
A list of references to cite and expand the list:
- Jazz Standards (February 1, 1998). Hal Leonard Corporation. ISBN 0793588723
- The Real Book (September 1, 2004). Hal Leonard Corporation. ISBN 0634060384 (Vols. 1-3)
- Aebersold, Jamey. Jamey Aebersold Play-A-Along Series. Vols. 1-120
- The New Real Book. Vols. 1-3. Sher Music Company.
- The Standards Real Book. Sher Music Company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dissolve (talk • contribs) 18:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I've left a note at each of the genre talkpages (Talk:Bebop, Talk:Bossa nova, Talk:Modal jazz, Talk:Jazz-funk, Talk:Latin Jazz, Talk:Swing music, Talk:Dixieland) to let them know. (Feel free to tweak my notes, if I missed any important details.)
I Remember Clifford 1937??? More like 1957, right?
I'm pretty sure Clifford Brown was still alive in 1937 and that this song was written and published much later than the date listed (1937). Can someone please help me fix this? I believe "I Remember Clifford" should be moved to the 1950's section with 1957 as the correct year that Benny Golson composed the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadjoproject (talk • contribs) 17:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Good catch. The tune is copyright 1957 (renewed in 1985). I moved it to reflect this. dissolvetalk 18:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
This article is a list without criteria or citations? What makes something a JAZZ standard? I'd imagine one useful form of criteria would be if the song appeared in more than one of the commonly used Fake Books. At least that way, there is some way to support a claim. Kingturtle = (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Issues about titles
Songs with multiple titles
An example, these titles are all the same song:
- Aunt Hagar's Blues
- Aunt Hagar's Children
- Aunt Hagar's Children's Blues
Songs with unusual spellings
- Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye
Songs with "gender issues" - by that I mean he/she and man/woman/girl.
I couldn't find a good he/she example.
- The Man I Love
If it's sung by a man it's "The Girl I Love"
Note: people often search lists with ctrl-f so if it were up to me I'd make the list like this:
"The common title" ["Changed gender (etc?) title"]
- The Man I Love [The Girl I Love]
"The common title" ["Common (modern) spelling"]
- Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye [Every Time We Say Goodbye]