Talk:List of loughs of Ireland

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Are there any examples of an Irish lake named "loch" rather than "lough"? Could we move this page to List of Irish loughs?

zoney ♣ talk 16:56, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

1) Not as far as I know; and 2) Yes, why not? (I've done it, anyway...) -- Picapica 22:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Any lakes named loch instead of lough, you ask. How about every single one of them in the Irish language! An Muimhneach Machnamhach 14:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as someone who speaks Irish I'm aware of that, and certainly we can include that information here on Wikipedia. But this is the English version, so there is no need to have a lengthy page title to include the Irish term (even if the term is introduced in the article).
zoney ♣ talk 14:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article include lakes whose name do not include the word "Lough" in their name? (I know there are not that many...) Should we rename the article to "List of Irish lakes" as that term is more generic? NotMuchToSay 13:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We should call this entry "List of lakes in Ireland". Nobody uses the word 'lough' to mean a lake anymore, although their names still include 'Lough'. If the list is only of those lakes whose name includes the word 'Lough', then we may be justified in keeping the existing title, but even then it is odd-sounding. Gnomon 12:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Derry/Londonderry Name[edit]

Hello. I'd like to refer to the naming of the the county Derry/Londonderry. It is known by British establishment as LondonDerry. In the Republic of Ireland, the city and county are almost always referred to as Derry, on maps, in the media and in conversation. Please see any road sign in the Republic of Ireland. I applied the change to incorporate all views for a balanced inclusion and to give readers a more in depth understanding. For references please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Londonderry. Perhaps inclusion of both names is the solution.As is the case by politicians in the North. Thank you Scamallach (talk) 06:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scamallach (talk • contribs)

Please see WP:DERRY. It is unfortunately irrelevant what it is called in the Republic of Ireland as County Londonderry does not reside in the Republic of Ireland and as a result how they refer to it is not relevant. Similar to if the United Kingdom started to refer to Dublin as Big Town it wouldn't matter as Dublin isn't in the UK. As a result only what it is called inside the country in which it exists is relevant. As it exists in the UK and the UK created the county, with the name of County Londonderry, it is referred to by its official name of County Londonderry on Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 02:47, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. According to your logic the wiki pages of the Anglo-Irish Agreement 1985 and the Good Friday Agreement should be erased as they are irrelevant too ? Suggesting Irelands view is irrelevant is subjective. Articles 2 & 3 of the Irish constitution claim that the whole island formed one "national territory" (that includes Derry). Being a contentious issue,the UK challenged this and failed in the european courts. It was however partly amended and became one building block on which the Good Friday Agreement was created. A compromise was found. I suggest a compromise be found here to include the identity of Irish people in Northern Ireland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scamallach (talk • contribs) 00:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As Canterbury Tail said it doesn't matter what a different state refers to the city and county by as they do not lie within that state no matter what that state implies or claims. De facto and de jure it lies within the United Kingdom not the Republic of Ireland. The name of the city and county has absolutely nothing to do with Irish identity. There are people of such claim who refer to it as Londonderry and those who are of British identity who refer to it as Derry for shorthand. The logic in your reasoning has flaws. Mabuska (talk) 11:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. My point is if there is a legitimate wikipedia page then should I not be able to reference that where ever the subject is mentioned. There is a page "Derry Londonderry naming dispute' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry/Londonderry_name_dispute. I simply want to reference this page. Or is there a rule in the editors book saying I can only reference certain pages What is the point in having a wiki page if an editor cant reference it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scamallach (talk • contribs) 10:43, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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