Talk:List of peace activists
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Surely it is a bit philosophically weak to define peace as merely the absence of war. Perhaps a broadening of the definition of a peace activist ought to include people who work for justice. For example A.J. Muste or Charles Perkins - entheos 03:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC) The definition of "peace" and the definition of "activist" need some work. They are not terms with siingle meanings. And the list is almost worthless as a reference because it includes so many different types of people without discussion. Avocats (talk) 05:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering if it might be better to make this page a redirect to Peace movement, or made into a list, because it is basically just a short description of peace movement, followed by a list. A longer list is available at Category:Anti-war activists. ssepp(talk) 17:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- To address this issue, I revised the lead section and retitled the article. Ringbang (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Lawrence S. Wittner
I can't find the direct quote cited in the article, and Dr. Wittner is quite prolific, so it is unreasonable to read all of his articles looking for that quote. I think the quote should be removed unless somebody happens to know the citation.
- I'm doing a clean up as well as adding some names and linking those on the list to their pages. Lots of work, and more to go, but interesting reading along the way. Randy Kryn21:58 11-1-'13
- Done. Removed names and added names, linked this list to the pages of the listee. Will keep watch, and research more names. Randy Kryn 15:49 13-1-'13
Is his inclusion in this list in accordance with WP:NPOV? It's reasonable to describe him as a peace activist at some times, but at other times it seems much more debatable (I usually tend to agree with him on those other times, or at least to sympathise with his point of view, but that's not the point). For instance, he urged Franklin Roosevelt to build an Atom bomb (I'd have probably done the same in his place, but again that's not the point). Otherwiae why not include Nobel Peace Prize winners like Henry Kissinger, Jimmy Carter (seemingly gave the green light to Saddam Hussein to start the Iran-Iraq War in 1980, as an apparent 'October surprise' in an unsuccessful attempt to gain re-election, later got the Nobel Peace Prize when the Nobel Committee wanted to show George W Bush the right way to behave in the Middle East), Barack Obama (pocketed the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, then ordered a troop surge in Afghanistan) and the strangely uncontroversial Andrei Sakharov (gave Stalin or his successors the H-Bomb, which later made him the best-known Soviet dissident, which earned him the Nobel Peace prize)? Tlhslobus (talk) 05:43, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- Charles Lindbergh, opposed US entry into World War II; presumably we should also include Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, William Randolph Hearst (the model for Citizen Kane's 'you supply the prose poems, I'll supply the war', due to his earlier support for the Spanish-American War), Benito Mussolini, and Lord Haw Haw?
- Robert Kennedy - eventually opposed the Vietnam War, which he had helped start
- all the anti-Vietnam War activists - a Right-wing perspective would say they were aiding and abetting North Vietnam's war against South Vietnam, and the Soviet Union's not-so-Cold War against the West (I don't agree, but that's not the point)
- Bertrand Russell - campaigned against nuclear weapons from the late 1950s onwards, after earlier urging pre-emptive war against the Soviet Union before she got nuclear weapons arguing that the West could either fight an early preemptive war, or else have to surrender later on. So in Thinking about the Unthinkable, Herman Kahn only half-jokingly described Russell's later anti-nuclear campaigning as 'same policy, different circumstances'.
- Mairead Corrigan Maguire - Northern Ireland peace movement, Nobel Prize winner - from an IRA perspective, an aider and abettor of Britain's imperialist war in Northern Ireland (I don't agree, but that's not the point).
- Noam Chomsky - writer, activist, organizer - besides his role as an opponent of the Vietnam War, from a Northern Ireland Unionist perspective, someone who gave comfort and intellectual support to IRA terrorism (or so some Unionist sympathisers have told me).
- John Paul II - Pope, inspiration, advocate - from a Communist perspective, a leader of the capitalist imperialist onslaught against 'the peace-loving Socialist nations' (I have no love of Communism, but that's not the point).
- Václav Havel - nonviolent writer, poet, and politican - similar comments as for John Paul II
- Sérgio Vieira de Mello - from an Islamic or Islamist perspective, a UN official killed by good Muslims while aiding the Christian occupation of the Muslim nation of Iraq (I have no love for Islam, let alone Islamism, but that's not the point).
Perhaps some of these problems could be avoided by grouping activists according to the war they opposed, and by mentioning some of the problems with various individuals on these lists.