Talk:List of place names with royal patronage in the United Kingdom

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definition[edit]

Could this page explain what "royal patronage" actually means?

I second this request. Depending on this request, the former King's County, Queen's County, Kingstown, and Queenstown in Ireland may need to be added to the "former" section. jnestorius(talk) 18:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Royal Burghs[edit]

AFAIK, all Royal Burghs were explicitly abolished by the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 in 1975, which would make them all "former royal burghs". Their status, if you can measure one legal system against another, was akin to an English borough incorporated by royal charter, rather than a royal borough... Lozleader 17:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

as per the discussion here: Talk:Scotland/Archive13#Royal_burgh_status, it would seem they are all "former royal burghs". Lozleader 16:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Royal Charter[edit]

Would cities that have a Royal Charter given to them be OK to include even if they may not have anything Royal in the name of it? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

We have List of cities in the United Kingdom and Borough status in the United Kingdom already Lozleader (talk) 14:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Other King...[edit]

There are loads more UK places starting King... at List of United Kingdom locations: Kib-Kin#Kin & Queen...at List of United Kingdom locations: Q.— Rod talk 12:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I know there must be dozens and dozens of them. I'm not sure that we should (or could) list them all, but perhaps give a few examples eg Kingston-upon-Hull was specifically renamed, Kings Langley named to distinguish it from Abbots Langley which was owned St Albans Abbey. In fact, in the last case its not really royal "patronage" its was actually owned by The Crown, which is not that unusual.Lozleader (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Princes Risborough also worth a mention Lozleader (talk) 14:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Verging on original research?[edit]

On a little reflection this list article is getting a bit out of hand. Without a proper definition from somewhere other than Wikipedia this is also getting close to original research.

The very first section on this talk page questions the definition of "royal patronage" and actually the four Irish examples seem valid as they were specificailly named or renamed (as were Maryborough and Phillipstown).

At the moment we have the table at the top which lists verifiable places that are/were either royal boroughs or royal counties, and we have mostly been able to get sources for these.

The rest is decidedly iffy, a lot is just places that happen to have "King's/Kings" as a prefix, probably due to historic land ownership and/or to distinguish similar named communities, rather than specific "patronage".

Anyone have thoughts on how to refocus and tighten up the list? Lozleader (talk) 15:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

enforcement[edit]

Since 1926 the entitlement to the title "royal borough" has been strictly enforced.

That's a funny phrasing. "You're entitled to the title whether you like it or not!" I'd suggest language like use of the prefix 'royal' by entities not entitled to it has been strictly forbidden. Either way, there's the question of how the entitlement or forbidment is enforced, other than strictly. —Tamfang (talk) 04:51, 19 April 2014 (UTC)