Talk:List of popular music genres
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Managing the list of genres/styles
The page says that "Applicable styles are classified in this list using AllMusic genre categorisation," yet there are many discrepancies between AllMusic genres (1199 unduplicated genres/styles) and this page (706 unduplicated genres/styles).
The reference to allMusic (owned by ROVI) has been added by Dennywuh back in December 2007. It has withstood the injuries of time. It is not my intention to source genres elsewhere, at least not at this time. BUT is would seem that if we were to adhere to Wikipedia's guideline (no research, no soapbox, etc.) we should be careful as to how we diverge from the actual source material.
ROVI's AllMusic is but one source of popular genres. I am aware of the following:
- AllMusic (ROVI) (1200 genres, with a three-level hierarchy. Privately managed. Has to be scraped)
- Discogs (170 genres. Community managed (apparently), two-level hierarchy. Publicly available here: http://wiki.discogs.com/index.php/Style_Guide)
- Gracenote (170 genres. Privately managed and "secret" (one thread somewhere by an employee says he can't make the list public). Available through what appears to be one of their customers http://www.mediagen.com.au/full-list-of-gracenote-itunes-music-genres)
- Soundclick (255 genres. Privately managed. Two-level hierarchy. Available here: http://wiki.discogs.com/index.php/Style_Guide)
Therefore it appears to make sense to use AllMusic as the main source for this page, as AllMusic has the most extensive list and provides a more comprehensive hierarchy.
My plan would look like
- within a month: remove duplicate entries
- before the end of March: keep the deeper/richer structure that past wikipedia editors have contributed over the years, subject to sticking to the list of basic generic genres that AllMusic is using (i.e. level 1 in the hierarchy cannot be modified to promote a sub-genre or a style)
- Eventually (experimenting during the Summer: add genres that are being used by wikipedia's editors and have their page. Some of these will be consensual, others controversial. Should be possible to include both and flag them accordingly.
Waiting for feedback (both on the substance and on how to engage/manage a discussion) (older material below)
I've noticed several duplicate entries. Some are egregious errors (hip hop is listed as a sub-genre of the genre hip hop), others are more debatable (C-pop is listed under the style Asian and under the genre Pop).
A quick look at the sub-genres description has convinced me that in most cases the sub-genre is unequivocally related to a parent genre.
I would like to prune the list of popular music genres such that sub-genres appear only once on the page.
Waiting for feedback
- Go for it. Cannot have them appearing multiple times, that way madness lies.--SabreBD (talk) 23:22, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- It would be helpful to start off with a definition of 'genre' at the beginning of the article. At the moment it says "a list of the commercially relevant genres in modern popular music" — much narrower than the title "List of popular music genres" implies. When I have worked on other genre articles before criteria were, (1) contemporary use of the genre term by musicians and their publishers (2) distinctive musical style, and (3) use of original language terms rather than English translation (no invented terms). Ordering the genres may also be difficult, so it's probably easier to use alphabetical order. Hope this helps. Kleinzach 10:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Klein for your input. I agree on both counts. WRT what is a genre, I would be careful not to ignite a storm by raising the issue of what is/isn't a genre (a subgenre, a style, an umbrella term). These issues are probably better dealt with at the genre-specific page, if at all, since Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a soapbox. WRT to classification... there are other pages where one can find an alphabetical list. I personally found the current page extremely useful because I am not an expert and a hierarchical structure taught me that Zydeco is closer to Cowpunk than is is to Zouk.
- Your last point is important because the page would need to be referenced. Sources will inevitably vary, so I think you need to base your article on one particular one. Re "raising the issue of what is/isn't a genre (a subgenre, a style, an umbrella term" — I think it's inevitable that you go down that path because you will have to distinguish between genres, subgenres and non-genres. If you don't do that you will just have a mishmash of everybody's opinions. The WP way is to make a decision and then back it up with the best possible references. Kleinzach 02:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Can't find this genre in the list. It's not that it hasn't had a significant commercial impact out of France (I believe some songs from e.g. Edith Piaf or Jacques Brel are well known abroad), and it is neither a national version of an international genre. Savig (talk) 20:58, 28 December 2013 (UTC)