Talk:List of recognized higher education accreditation organizations

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CHEA / US Dep. of Education[edit]

What is the relationship between recognition by the CHEA and recognition by the US Dep. of Education? Is the overlap 100% or is there a significant number of accreditors recognized only by one of these? u p p l a n d 12:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow, how curious that this never got answered in six long years. CHEA is sanctioned by USDE. Both approve accreditors for ever-so-slightly different reasons. There are a handful of accreditors approved by one, but not the other.
In 2005, I created this report...
http://www.greggdeselms.com/usde_chea_discrepancies.txt
...which showed the differences; but my reason for creating it was to show how woefully inaccurate was the USDE database. Said inaccuracies, as a result of that report and the forum at DEGREEINFO.COM which discussed it, have been fixed. So, then, whatever are the current differences between the USDE and CHEA databases are accurate... correct differences accounted for by the fact that some accreditors are approved by USDE but not CHEA, and vice versa.
Gregg L. DesElms (Username: Deselms) 04:53, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

DoE[edit]

From an edit summary:

rv to last by me- nothing here states that CHEA defines this list- these are all DOE recognized accreditors

Actually, the last paragraph of the intro says exactly that. I'd like to know where to confirm the DoE listings (I did check their site when I created the article but didn't see it) and if it's verifiable, by all means keep them (but also change the intro). A.J.A. 02:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I'll be happy to provide links, both to the DOE and the individual web sites. Every accreditor I added is nationally recognized by the DOE. The article as it stands is extremely misleading. The title implies that this is a list of all nationally recognized accreditation bodies. The text mostly concerns the DOE and the list is introduced as being taken from CHEA. CHEA is not the only authority on the matter. For example, Harvard Law grads would be surprised, I'm sure, to learn that their school is not accredited- but that is what we are implying when we remove the ABA. I would also point out that CHEA copyrights their list, as indicated on their website and by the fact that they sell it as part of their almanac. -- JJay 02:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Links- DOE database [1] ACAOM- [2] ABA- [3], [4] NACCAS- [5] NYSBR- [6] AALE- [7] ACNM- PDF document

I agree with the warning at the top of the article. The article contains information on US academic accreditation only and needs to be broadened to include accreditation practices in other countries or the article needs to be retitled to "US Academic Accreditation".
Instead of the title "Other Accreditation" may I suggest "Professional Accreditation". To make sure the list of recognized professional accreditors is complete, you'll have to compare those recognized by US DEd against those recognized by CHEA. The two lists are not identical.
Harvard University Law School is accredited - first the University is regionally accredited by the New England Association and second the Law School is professionally accredited by the ABA. --Highdesert 00:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Links[edit]

Should this list include reference links to the appropriate web sites? Dbiel (Talk) 09:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Left off list?[edit]

Is the Higher Learning Commission recognized or unrecognized? It is not on either list, and the school I am interested in boasts their accreditation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhughey101 (talkcontribs) 14:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, three years and no answer. The Higher Learning Commission is part of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, one of the US's six big "regional" accreditors. So it is most definitely recognized.
SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Learning_Commission
Gregg L. DesElms (Username: Deselms) 04:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Programmatic accreditor section error[edit]

To save my life, I cannot find The Committee for Accreditation of Athletic Training Education (CAATE) listed in either the US Dept of Education (USDE) website database, or the USDE-sanctioned Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) website database. Absent the agency having been so recently approved that neither database administrator has yet had a chance to add it, that usually means that it's not a recognized accreditor. Unless someone can show me that CAATE is actually recognized, despite its absence from the only two authoritative databases out there, I say it should be removed from the Wikipedia article.

SEE: http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation SEE: http://www.chea.org/search (above the "Supporters" heading only)

Gregg L. DesElms (Username: Deselms) 05:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deselms (talkcontribs)

Mr. Deselms, you have been around Wikipedia long enough to realize that (1) anyone can edit, (2) there is no team of paid overseers monitoring every individual edit for validity, and (3) no own owns an article. In this instance, an anonymous user quietly added incorrect information on July 9, 2012. You were apparently the first to notice the problem. You have at least as much right to edit as the anonymous user did. You could have removed the erroneous information yourself (providing an edit summary that explained the reason for removal), rather than waiting two months for another volunteer to notice your comment and fix the problem you identified. --Orlady (talk) 06:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Reply to the post about authority (if any) of CHEA (Council for Higher Education Accreditation)===
The Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) is not a USDE (U.S. Department of Education)-sanctioned entity. CHEA is building its "reputation" on misleading advertisements and making unsubstantiated claims (CHEA's YouTube video) that "Council for Higher Education Accreditation" (CHEA) is the same, as U.S. Department of Education, but CHEA not even officially recognized by any governmental body.
The Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) is a United States organization that maintains professional connections with academic degree-granting colleges and universities. It identifies its purpose as providing national advocacy for self-regulation of academic quality through educational accreditation. In another words, CHEA is lobbying organization.
Council for Higher Education Accreditation is non-governmental and non-educational private organization providing support and lobbying services to its members. The organization financially supported by collection of membership fees and by other related activities. CHEA’s list has no any official value, but only a list compiled by private organization that has no any official authority.
Despite active claims (including claims made on YouTube video, available on August 25, 2013) that CHEA is the same as U.S. Department of Education and “accredit the accreditors”, website search of the U.S. Department of Education reveals that CHEA is not associated with the U.S. Department of Education and is not listed as approved institution.
Furthermore, statement of CHEA that U.S. Department of Education “accredit the accreditors” (the same as CHEA) is not true and misleading (see CHEA's claims made in the video on YouTube). U.S. Department of Education never accredited any accrediting institution. Voluntary submission (that is not obligatory, but strictly voluntarily) and approval of some accrediting companies by U.S. Department of Education only intended for obtaining governmental financing by students (only to provide some assurance that money lent by the government possibly would be paid back, at least partially).
Universities and companies that are not involved with governmental financing of education are not obligated to have any approval from the U.S. Department of Education. The same way, there is no requirement in the United States for universities to be accredited by any organization.
Congress established the U.S. Department of Education (ED) on May 4, 1980, in the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88 of October 1979) for informative and coordinating purposes (http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/mission/mission.html?src=ln). U.S. Department of Education, as informative branch of the United States government has no constitutional power to control or to accredit any educational institution (http://www2.ed.gov/about/what-we-do.html), therefore, statements made by CHEA are not true and not corresponding with real facts.
Accrediting organizations are not controlled by any form of government in the United States and cannot be judged by CHEA (Council for Higher Education Accreditation) or by any other private organization, neither by any State. States only can defend its citizens from clearly fraudulent activities, such as selling of fake diplomas or issuance of diplomas without any form of education. Quality of accreditation only can be assessed in individual manner on case-by-case basis. Any demands by some State Boards of Education requiring graduation from the universities accredited by accreditation companies approved by U.S. Department of Education as a condition for licensing are clearly unconstitutional and can be disputed in federal courts.
CHEA is not authorized and not connected to any branch of the U.S. government; CHEA (Council for Higher Education Accreditation) also not recognized by U.S. Department of Education; but in video posted on YouTube, CHEA makes misleading claims that it has similar authority as U.S. Department of Education. This creates a reasonable assumption that CHEA (Council for Higher Education Accreditation) is attempting to mislead American public and to create false impression of some not existing authority in this country. Multiple postings in Wikipedia are placed in educational sections and made in the same deceiving manner, where CHEA misleadingly represented as equal authority as the United States Department of Education. CHEA has no any official authority in the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor3929 (talkcontribs) 00:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Not a US federal law[edit]

Something most people do not understand is that CHEA and USDOE accreditation is not mandatory. A primary, secondary, or tertiary educational institution can operate, and do so at a very high level, without any "federally recognized" accrediting agency. That said, one should be careful when it comes to any education in which payment is required. Education is more about what the learner puts into the process than who says the process is acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcnsc (talkcontribs) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Changes in the UK[edit]

The article Quality Assurance Agency for Higher Education, QAA website content, and other website content lead me to believe that there have been major changes in the structure of "accreditation" in the UK that mean that much of the content of this article is now outdated. I don't understand the changes nearly well enough to document them in the article, though. Accordingly, I flagged the UK section as outdated. --Orlady (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)