Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Asia

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Palestine Area[edit]

Palestine's area is shown as "6,220" with no "km^2" after it. This means that if one was to order the countries of Asia by area, Palestine shows up first, instead of between Cyprus and Brunei as it should be. I cannot fix this issue as I do not have a Wikipedia account, but I hope that somebody sees this message and corrects this typo. Thank you!

Order of countries[edit]

The "Republic of China (Taiwan)" is listed in the 'T' section and the "People's Republic of China" is listed in the 'C' section. See Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Republic_of_China.2C_Taiwan.2C_and_variations_thereof for details.

Generally following the established convention of alphabetizing countries under their common names, the Republic of China (i.e. Taiwan) should be alphabetized under "T" while the People's Republic of China should be alphabetized under "C". The former can be listed, depending on context, either as "Republic of China (Taiwan)" or "Taiwan (Republic of China)".

Readin (talk) 17:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I don't agree with the alphabetising system, but if it's the rule then I can't dispute. From the same WP page you listed:
As a general rule of thumb, the official political terms "People's Republic of China" or "PRC" and "Republic of China" or "ROC" should be used in political contexts (that is, to describe the existing governments or regimes) rather than the imprecise and politically charged terms "China" and "Taiwan."
I get that we're using short-form names on the left column, but these particular short-form names ("China" and "Taiwan") are politically disputed and ambiguous terms, so we need to stick to the long-form names to avoid antipathy from other editors. Night w (talk) 03:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
The majority of reliable sources show a clear usage of these short form names. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Sovereignty[edit]

Why the desire to separate the list into sections for sovereign and other? It will invite trouble as people bicker over which states are sovereign and which aren't. Readin (talk) 21:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Palestine[edit]

I am missing Palestine in this list. Why has it not been listed? If the problem is the missing full diplomatic recognition, then compare Europe, how partial recognised countries/territories could be included. FHessel (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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background colors?[edit]

What do the background colors (the light blue and green) on the table mean? Why no legend indicating the meanings? --StarGeek (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

India's map[edit]

India's map is missing........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.23.19 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Australia!![edit]

I was under the impression that Australia is considered an Asian country (It is in the Asia pacific region)... Geographically this is true. Therefore why has it been omitted from the list of asian countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.116.72 (talk) 08:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Australia is a separate continent. --StarGeek (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Article title[edit]

There has been an extensive debate over at Talk:List of European countries and territories about what should and should not be included in the list because of the title. Most editors there support moving the page to either List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe or List of European sovereign states and territories. If the European list is moved it is likely this list will be moved as well in the next few days unless there is opposition to such a move here. It would help to avoid confusion and disputes if the all of these lists (countries and territories by continents) have the same title. Saying sovereign state rather than country is a more precise term and is in line with the fact List of countries redirects to the list of sovereign states article.

If you have thoughts on the title please raise them here or ideally join the debate at Talk:List of European countries and territories. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 19:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Armenia[edit]

Armenia is currently a member state of Council of Europe See http://hub.coe.int/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Council_of_Europe Then why is Armenia in list of Recognized Asian States? Where is citation, reference for the claim? Please verify. Wikiwake16 (talk) 07:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

How is Armenia in Europe and Asia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.124.123 (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

EGYPT

You forgot adding EGYPT, as the Sinai Peninsula is placed in ASIA.--83.39.41.244 (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


Israel[edit]

Under Geographical boundaries of Asia, Armenia and Cyprus is listed as countries that "are entirely in Western Asia but are sociopolitically European countries". Israel should be added to that list too.

Approximately half of Israel's Jewish population is European or of European descent. The rest are Jews whose ancestors came from the Middle East and North Africa. Some of those of Middle Eastern and North African descent are actually speak also European languages such as French, Italian and Ladino and were connected to Europe in many ways even before immigrating to Israel. Many Israelis maintained French, Italian, Spanish, British, Polish, German or other European passports. Although Israel not "geographically" fit into the traditional geographical boundaries of Europe, Israel (and Israelis) sees itself culturally, politically and economically part thereof. The closest countries to Israel's western border are the EU countries (particularly Cyprus).

Israel considered part of Europe in all International sports events and associations including FIFA, FIBA and the Olympic games. Its is a member of the European divisions of international sport associations (such as UEFA). Just recently Israel hosted the 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Championship, the 2014 European Weightlifting Championships and the European Fencing Cadet and Junior Championships 2014. It will host the European Short Course Swimming Championships in 2015 among other European sports events in the following years.

According to Wikipedia, Israel has been represented frequently at the Eurovision Song Contest, the Israel Broadcasting Authority (IBA) being a member of the European Broadcasting Union which is responsible for the event. Israel participated for the first time in 1973. Israel has participated a total of 36 times, winning the contest on three occasions: in 1978, 1979, and 1998. As a result, Israel has hosted the contest twice, in 1979 and 1999 (in 1980 the IBA declined to host the contest for a second successive year). Israel has never finished last in the contest.

Israel is also a neighboring and associated state of the European Union. The relations between the two are framed in the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP), the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, and the Union for the Mediterranean.

Israel is a member of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN). In the UN, Israel is a member of the Western European and Others Group. It is also a member of Horizon 2020 (The EU Framework Programme for Research and Innovation) and of many other EU programs. UNESCO World Heritage Centre listed Israel under "Europe and North America"

According to Wikipedia, various Israeli ministers have expressed that they would like to see Israel in the EU. Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who visited Israel in February 2010, said that his "greatest desire" was to see Israel join the European Union. The European Union's former High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy, Javier Solana, stated in 2009 that Israel had a very significant relationship with the EU, amounting almost to full cooperation through participation in the EU's programs. Moreover, like most western European countries, Israel is a member of the OECD and from an economic perspective matches the European Union extremely well, with essentially every significant economic indicator (GDP per capita, government deficit, public debt level, current account surplus, inflation level, etc.) closely matching the overall EU average (If Israel will eventually join the EU it wont be the first country who located geographically in Western Asia. Cyprus is an EU full member and it is considered to be in Western Asia as well).--Abtalion (talk) 08:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Area[edit]

I recently sourced this entire article, and in doing so I used the total area given by the CIA for the entries on this table. I think it is inconsistent for just one entry not list the total area. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:16, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The feature for sorting by area wasn't working right; it would sort everything beginning with 1 together, whether it was 100 or 17 million. I just finished adding coding to each of the 48 sovereign states, to make it sort the right way. When I finished, I went back to the article and I still counted 48 countries. So I guess I did it right. 140.147.236.195 (talk) 13:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Thanks Stephen Kosciesza, your work across these articles is much appreciated. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Capital of Israel[edit]

A dispute has arisen in the article as to whether Tel Aviv should be shown as the "recognised" capital of Israel, in addition to Jerusalem being shown as the "claimed" capital. Whilst the international community does not generally recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, - see Positions on Jerusalem, Tel Aviv does not perform any of the functions of a capital city nor is recognised as such. A capital city is a city which physically encompasses the offices and meeting places of the seat of government (all three arms of the Israeli government - Executive, Legislature and Judiciary are in Jeruslem). None are in Tel Aviv, apart from one government ministry. Although most (but not all) foreign embassies are situated in Tel Aviv, this does not indicate that the foreign governments concerned view Tel Aviv as Israel's capital, any more than those countries with embassies in Herzlia, Ramat Gan, Ramat Hasharon, Givataim or Mevasseret Zion view such cities as Israel's capital. It is therefore inaccurate to show Tel Aviv as an alternative capital of Israel. Davshul (talk) 08:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I've removed it again. It should stay out for the time being. I don't think the variety of definitions of what a capital is matter in this case. The addition is unsourced. I've removed it on that basis. If the editor can find sources that actually say that various states and/or organizations "recognize" Tel Aviv as the capital they can bring them here to be discussed. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:27, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Tricky. It's a complicated issue. Tel Aviv is treated as a capital by other countries due to its being a former capital. They explicitly don't recognise Jerusalem as the capital, without giving a specific other claim. I had placed Tel Aviv to note the opposite claim, although perhaps I was semantically too inaccurate. Would it be better to change the Jerusalem note from "claimed" to "unrecognised", with a slight expansion to explain the nonrecognition? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Jerusalem was the capital of Israel since its founding in 1948. It remains the capital today. Capitals don't require foreign embassies to be located within their borders.
The Continuum Political Encyclopedia of the Middle East is incredibly succinct on Jerusalem's status: "[Jerusalem is the c]apital of the State of Israel though not recognized as such by most of the international community" (491). Other reference books that explicitly denote Jerusalem as the capital of Israel include The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2007 (p. 785), The Statesman's Yearbook (2005 ed., p. 939), TIME Almanac 2005 with Information Please (p. 797), The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions (p. 285), The World Book Encyclopedia (Vol. 11, p. 94a), Atlas of World Geography (Rand McNally: 2000, p. 44), Webster's New Explorer Desk Encyclopedia (2003 ed., p. 628), and Britanica Online Encyclopedia. --GHcool (talk) 00:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Tel Aviv was the capital for a few months in 1948, before the government shifted to Jerusalem. I'm not disputing the fact that it functions as the capital, or that Israel treats it as one, hence I placed it first in the box. Thanks for the sources though, I'll look through them. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
As usual, the problem with succinct statements like "Jerusalem is the capital of the State of Israel though..." is that much (and arguably all) of what is being referred to as "Jerusalem" isn't actually in Israel, it's occupied by Israel, hence Resolution 478. Since this has been discussed at length on various talk pages and no one is ever going to be completely happy with the wording, it's probably something that needs a project-wide standard boilerplate text+footnote agreed at WP:IPCOLL any decade now. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
It's Israeli under Israeli law, which is why I think the current footnote (which I took from another page) starts with that position. I feel a note of the explicit nonrecognition would be good in front of the embassy in Tel Aviv sentence. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 11:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
The 1949 armistice lines are recognized by much of the world as borders of sovereign Israel (for good and for bad), therefore the claim that no part of Jerusalem is in Israel is false. Beyond that, a sovereign state is not required to get permission from foreign bodies when choosing its capital. In other words, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. —Ynhockey (Talk) 13:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Or...not false according to UN General Assembly Resolution 303(IV) of 1949. Ignoring the corpus separatum aspects, "Jerusalem" describes a spatial object that is only partly in Israel as you say. Therefore the thing you are calling "Jerusalem" is patently not the same as the thing that is Israel's capital. The "Jerusalem is the capital of Israel" mantra confuses rather than clarifies and causes endless problems here for no good reason in my view. It's important to be clear what "Jerusalem" refers to when the term is used. Sean.hoyland - talk 14:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Quite a few countries have stated that they would recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital if Palestine was allowed to have its capital in East Jerusalem. Besides some Arab countries, I don't think many countries are explicitly opposed to Israel sovereignty over the west of Jerusalem. However, this too much detail for a footnote. A link to Positions on Jerusalem seems useful to me. I think that would be easily worked in. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Chipmunkdavis, I have never heard that Tel Aviv was declared capital of Israel for a few months in 1949. As far as I know, it is true that the Knesset met in Tel Aviv, and that some government offices were in Tel Aviv, but it was never a declared capital nor was it ever recognized as such. But then, I could be wrong. Do you have a source for that claim? --Ravpapa (talk) 17:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't declared one, it acted as one, as you say.
I agree with Chipmunkdavis. Jerusalem is identified as the capital of Israel, followed by a brief, but accurate footnote and a link to Positions on Jerusalem is all that is necessary. --GHcool (talk) 17:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Sabah and Sarawak are dependencies territories[edit]

Hi Chipmunkdavis I do owe this from ANNEX B of the members of the Commonwealth
Omdo (talk) 04:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Definitions:
Dependent Territory: A territory belonging by settlement, conquest or annexation to the British Crown or to an independent Commonwealth country.

please see also:
Federation of Malaya Independence Act 1957 (c. 60), and
Malaysia Act 1963

Nowhere in any of those texts does it call Sabah and Sarawak dependent territories; this is because they are not. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Statehood of Israel[edit]

As there is division of the states on the basis of whether international community recognize their sovereignty or not, I would propose that State of Israel must be shown in the category of "Partially recognized state", as from page International recognition of Israel, we know that there are more than 30 UN member states which do not recognize the State of Israel. Alok Bansal 10:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alokagrawal8 (talkcontribs)

Partially recognised states mostly involve those cut out of the international system. Israel is a UN member and is considered a full state. CMD (talk) 14:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Then why is State of Palestine which is recognised as a sovereign state by more than 2/3 of the members of UN on January 18, 2012 still in the section of the Partially recognised state. As it is clearly evident that majority of international community has accepted its sovereign status. Alok Bansal (talk) 07:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Common practice on wikipedia is to use UN membership as a firm benchmark, as it means they clearly do participate fully in the international system. CMD (talk) 10:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Kazakhstan[edit]

How can Kazakhstan possibly be considered part of Europe??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.200.66 (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ural River, some of Kazakhstan is to the west of it. CMD (talk) 05:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Figures for Russia[edit]

Can we alter the figures of Russia so that it includes only the Asian part of Russia?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Map of Taiwan area[edit]

The map that shows Taiwan has misleading image from pre WWII era, can we switch it with this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:People%27s_Republic_of_China_(orthographic_projection).svg

Reason:(Outer) Mongolia is included in ROC the image which is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubold (talkcontribs) 21:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Uncited claims[edit]

"Geographical boundaries of Asia" has no reference sources whatsoever. This is a major WP:VERIFY vio, and one that certainly needs addressing if we're calling, say, Israel an Asian country. --209.122.114.237 (talk) 01:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of predecessors of sovereign states in Asia[edit]

Each article is excellent. Each could exist without the other. The merge target has more complete prose about the topic, the merge source has the historic countries. This needs the touch of a content expert. My view, even immediately after I reviewed and accepted this at WP:AFC is that the resultant eventual article will be a substantially better resource after this merge.

I might have performed the merge as a technical exercise in adding a column to a table, but I have a feeling that there may be a little more to it than just doing that, hence this proposal and the request for an expert. Fiddle Faddle 10:44, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Comment I have invited Nick Mitchell 98, the contributing author of the proposed source of the merge to come here to comment and participate in the discussion. Fiddle Faddle 10:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I support keeping the articles separate due to the differences of information on them, the possibility of List of predecessors of sovereign states in Asia being further expanded by other users (which would make the proposed merged page too long), and the success of other separate "List of predecessors of sovereign states in ____" pages. However, I will wait to see the general consensus before making a decision. Nick Mitchell 98 (talk) 02:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)