Talk:List of sports attendance figures
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- 1 Much Improved
- 2 Domestic professional leagues
- 3 Divide into outdoor and indoor
- 4 Domestic Club Championship Events
- 5 Cricket World Cup Note
- 6 2009 World 20/20
- 7 1970 VFL Grand Final
- 8 attendance - largest single day event 1 million
- 9 auto racing events
- 10 Auto racing
- 11 Cycling Grand Tours
- 12 Minor League Baseball
- 13 World Club Challenge?
- 14 IPL Attendance
- 15 WWE Wrestlemania ? really ?
- 16 FIBA World Cup?
- 17 International matches table long
- 18 Auto racing...
- 19 UEFA Champions league
- 20 Top leagues in recent domestic club championship event attendance
- 21 Missing figures for CFL
- 22 Top leagues in weekly attendance
I noticed that the structure of the article has been improved significantly of late, well done to whoever worked on it. I would just like to suggest a couple of other ways to make the page even better. Firstly I think all the motorsport data could be put into a separate table, secondly I would love to see a table that compares teams rather than competitions - ie. a list of the clubs that draw the biggest crowds each season, and maybe a list of the national teams that draw the biggest crowds.
One other thing that should be considered, how do you keep track of records as time passes? If a given league has a lower crowd average one year, is just the most recent figure kept? Or perhaps the record crowd for each league should be displayed as well (maybe show the latest season, and the record for that league)?
I'd also love to see a table comparing sports - the most attended sport in the world would be a very relevant comparison for this article
Domestic professional leagues
- Also, I added information about Finals series which weren't disputed on one game at the "Domestic club championship events" section, like the NBA Finals and the Stanley Cup. I listed only the last game. I wonder if that's correct or if its allowed. --Howard the Duck 15:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
This page strikes me as somewhat irrelevant - often the most recent season's crowd is limited for one reason or another (eg. the most recent fifa world cup sold out every game, thus stadium size limited it's average crowds) and the record crowd for such an event is not shown - might I suggest that there should be a column for most reason season/event and record crowd for that competition. Also, the cricket world cup crowd needs to be updated. F
- The records issue is too complex. Due to all the changes in competition formats, simply giving a number could be misleading. It's better to see this page as a current snapshot, and to cover historical issues on the page for each league/competition. ReeseM 23:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Given the quality of the organisation at the Cricket World Cup, I wouldn't be surprised if no reliable figures are available. Certainly the disparities between official ticket sales and bums on seats were exceptionally large for several of the games. ReeseM 23:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Divide into outdoor and indoor
Since outdoor stadiums have larger capacities than indoor stadiums, would it be a good idea if we divide the article or have a new column to state whether it's indoor or outdoor? --Howard the Duck 16:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand the indoor section...is it listing the top attendance ever for indoor events or just the top per certain sports? If it is top attendance regardless of sport, then the top 5 college basketball arenas in the US routinely sell-out with larger crowds than every other event listed in the table (except the #1 listed). If it is for random sports, then why isn't indoor football listed? I think this table needs a lot of work. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Domestic Club Championship Events
Could people please stop adding results to this section that are not the most recent.
2007 a-league grand final attendance needs to be updated to 2008 attendance.Cricketman274 (talk) 13:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Does the Football League Championship Play-Off Final belong in this section? I understand the significance of it as the supposed "richest game in football", but by definition it is not a "championship". Winning this game does not make you the champion of anything. It just means you are the 3rd team to be promoted to the Premier League. phreakydancin (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Cricket World Cup Note
Note in average for Cricket World Cup remove due to being irrelevent - "Note: Figures are low due to World Cup being held in the West Indies where there is less population and grounds have low capacity." The WC prior to this was held in Sth Africa (bigger Grounds) and had a lower average attendance. Clearly the not is an opinionated statement and has no relevence to the article. Size of ground, while being an issue is not a relevent reason to attribute small averages. For example the initial rounds of the FA Cup Football competition are played at stadiums with >5000 capacity which affect the overall average however this is the nature of the competition. Ck786 (talk) 00:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
2009 World 20/20
1970 VFL Grand Final
Does the Domestic Club Championship have to be an entire nation event? The current leader is the 2008 AFL Grand Final between Geelong and Hawthorn, however there were a number of VFL grand finals that exceeded this number. The VFL, for those who don't know, is the Victorian Football League, which was the forerunner to the current AFL. The VFL still exists, but the teams that played in the old VFL are the ones that now play in the AFL (Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood, etc).
So, given that the 1970 VFL grand final between Carlton and Collingwood had an attendance of 121,696 can this be declared the winner? Or does it fail because it was a state league and not a national one?
And I know that the MCG doesn't have a seating capacity that big, but these were the days before safety was a major concern, so everyone just packed in and stood up for the whole game.
http://www.mcg.org.au/History/Attendances/~/media/Files/MCG_Attendances_All%20Time.ashx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan broders (talk • contribs) 03:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- We only take in the latest. We could have a separate article/section for all-time records, though. –Howard the Duck 16:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
attendance - largest single day event 1 million
I run the Chicago Marathon and for the past several years there have been 1 million spectators that line the route. It could be the largest single day crowd for any single day sporting event. Shouldn't marathon attendance figures be included on this page? It blows away all other events in shear size. Nothing even comes close. I think marathon attendance at least deserves a listing here. --RG Chicago (talk) 16:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- That's because attendance is free. –Howard the Duck 05:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Marathon is said to have over 2 million spectators each year http://running.about.com/od/marathonsandreviews/a/nycmarathonfan.htm --ajchapman (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
HI I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA AND THE AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL LEAUGE WOULD HAVE TO BE THE MOST POPULAR SPORT PER RATIO OF POPULATION 21 MILLION PEOPLE LIVE IN AUSTRALIA WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF INDEX ON THIS AS THIS MAKES MORE SENSE ON HOW FANATICAL SUPPORTERS ARE BY COUNTRY REGARDS DAVE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry mate, 7 million people attending out of a total population of 21,000,000 means 33% of population go see a game (assuming that everone goes only once which is silly). 1.5 million irish people watch the GAA championships every year which works out as 37% of the population of 4.1 million. That said, interesting idea. On another point, I was going to edit this and then I thought about it - the heading "Internation" just doesn't seem right... International? Inter-nation? something else?gearoidmm (talk) 22:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to rain on ye're parade but 7 million and 1.5 million does not mean 7 million unique individuals or 1.5 million indivuals. This counts repeat attendees as part of that statistic. If 20,000 people go to watch my rugby team play one week and another 20,000 go to watch them the next week- it doesn't mean 40,000 people in my city have gone to watch rugby. A high proportion of that crowd were more than likely in attendance both weeks. So saying that 37% of the Irish people went to a GAA championship match in one year is incorrect. The total attendances may have indeed added up to 1.5 million but this done not mean 1.5 million unique individuals attended at the championship. You would be extremely lucky if it was anywhere near half that figure. Limericksham (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- There's a couple of problems with the claims above. Firstly, the GAA play sports throughout two nations. It includes the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland and London, at least. If we ignore London, then we can confine it to the island of Ireland. The island has a population closer to 6.2 million, rather than 4.1 million. The 1.5 million people are apparently in attendance and not merely watching the matches. This corresponds then to about 24.2% of the population, and not anywhere near 37% of Irish people.
- The fact is though, attendance figures can be compared to the population of countries (England or the UK for example) or regions (North America, Ireland or the British Isles, for example) as a kind of ratio of popularity. It would theoretically be possible to have the number of attendances higher than the population of a country or region. The ratio, displayed as a percentage, would then be greater than 100%.
- Another problem with this though, and with the article as it now stands, is that the figure for "GAA All-Ireland Championships" appears to cover more than one sport: at least Gaelic Football and Hurley, if not also Camogie etc.
- Also, as I think has been mentioned already, where are the statistics in relation to Formula 1, and other motor sports? --184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
auto racing events
why aren't there any on here? a lot of them a lot bigger crowds than any other sport. Even the largest futball stadium has 150k permanant seats while Indianapolis for example has 257,325 permanent seats and the Indy 500 regularly fills that, or the US Grand Prix there attracting 200k people on race day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Lack of auto racing figures is glaring omission
Is the reason Auto racing is not listed here because their numbers make the numbers your showing look minuscule? Just NASCAR alone hold 17 of the 21 worlds most attended events. You show numbers like 70k average??? I think NASCAR's is about 135k average. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not to mention Le Mans, Indy, Monaco, the Tourist Trophies (Dutch and Manx) and many other automobile and motorcycle races. I think the layout with club events and international tournaments and such doesn't suit motor racing as their are no clubs and very few real tournaments. To keep it "fair" I'd say motor racing should be placed in a separate section. Otherwise the other sports might seem somewhat insignificant. We'll need numbers of course. Quintinohthree (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Cycling Grand Tours
The Tour de France is said to have 15 million spectators per year
When stage 1 was held in England in 2007 Transport for London said that there were 3 million or more spectators in London and Kent, and that this is a conservative estimate
--ajchapman (talk) 19:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- The problem with road race cycling in general is that all we can find are estimates, not registered attendance figures. I'm sure that big stages in the Grand Tours does attract attendace in the millions, but it's really hard to register. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Minor League Baseball
Total attendance at Minor league baseball (MiLB) according to their website was 41.6 million . Can't Minor league baseball be included in the top 10 attendance list as the attendance for the MiLB regular season is far more than that of NBA or NFL. This will reflect the true statistics of the most attended leagues in the world.
- We'd need exact figures. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, there are dozens and dozens of minor league baseball leagues, with hundreds of teams. It's not a single league, so combining the attendance figures for all those leagues wouldn't really make sense.
World Club Challenge?
The inclusion of the annual rugby league match "World Club challenge" in the list of "international club competition" averages is just silly.
I'm guessing a rather rabid rugby league fan couldn't resist its inclusion in order to see it sitting up there proudly among the highest international club competition attendance averages.
It is a one-off annual event - it doesn't belong in that section and gives a false impression. We could just as easily add the Community Shield of soccer, giving us a ludicrous 85,000 average. Adding a bunch of one-off events like this would overwhelm the original list, thus defeating the point - which was , I presume, to give an indication of what kind of attendances various international sporting competitions can summon on a regular basis.
Technically to qualify for that club challenge you need to either win the English or Australian league - kind of like the Super Rugby final is now with the 3 conferences - which means it should be moved to the International Club Championship Final Events just as the Super Rugby final is. (Mattdocbrown (talk) 11:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC))
When first reading, the attendance figures for the IPL seemed a little high to me. After checking the sources provided, I found neither of them supported the figures reported in the article. In addition, there are other outside articles I have read that have said the 58,000 average figure was based on every game being sold out and filled to capacity. If this is the case, I believe the article should either clarify this for readers or present the figures for the IPL separate from others. Does any one else have info or opinions on this? JakeH07 (talk) 03:01, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
There appear to be no relaible figures for the IPL on the internet, and I have read journalists say the same. For whatever reason the IPL don't want them public, or maybe the franchises haven't kept track of their figures, although this is hard to believe given the investment involved, but you never know with Indian Cricket. Simply from viewing many games there is no way every one is sold out so the 58,000 figure was a bogus one. In fact 58,000 seems far too high even if every game is sold out as the typical capacity of the stadia is around 30,000 to 40,000 rather than 60,000. Nevertheless the average would be very respectable for a newish competition in a developing country, guestimate 25,000 - 30,0000?, but unfortunately, being an encyclopedia, there is not sufficient information to list the IPL at the moment so it is probably the correct decision to leave it out of the main list. Bruce, 5 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk)
- Sorry but it cant be 58,000 because the stadiums dont have that much capacity for God sake! Only Eden Gardens have a capacity of 68,000 while the others have 45000 or below. So 58,000 is a stupid figure. In fact the Delhi home matches are never packed houses even though they have only 30,000 capacity. Itz arka (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
WWE Wrestlemania ? really ?
do you really consider Wrestlemania sport it's a coreographed show like ballet; guess the bolshoi should be in the list as well ;-)18:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)18:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk)
- FIBA or the local organizers didn't release attendance figures for the last world championship –HTD 05:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
International matches table long
- Any suggestion of kicking out events will be totally arbitrary. A better solution is to spin off to a daughter article. –HTD 02:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm thinking of ways to incorporate them. Anyone has ideas?
UEFA Champions league
I don't know what exactly the inclusion criteria is for the list but if being a league is the requirement why is the UEFA Champions league not included in the average attendances list. According to this source the champions league had an average attendance of 44,819 for its 124 matches in 2012-13, placing its third on the list. Any reason it has been omitted? Calistemon (talk) 12:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- UCL is at List of sports attendance figures#International club competitions and it's first on the list for now... it'll be second if you'd update it with your source... –HTD 22:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Top leagues in recent domestic club championship event attendance
I merged the indoor and outdoor tables into one; the largest indoor crowd is still less than the smallest outdoor crowd. However, I'd like to include international matches and not just restrict to domestic ones. There are also amateur competitions too but it's supposedly restricted to professional events. I'd want to include all finals matches by making this into its own section. Anyone disagrees? –HTD 13:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Missing figures for CFL
Top leagues in weekly attendance
In the section "Top leagues in weekly attendance", motor sports have one "match", presumably the main race. AFAIK, other "activities", such as practices and qualifying are ticketed as well, so those should be included. –HTD 17:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)