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/Institutions removed from list for lack of sourcing or other issues[edit]

Pebble Hills[edit]

NOTICE ABOUT PEBBLE HILLS UNIVERSITY Pebble Hills University is no longer relating to Seborga. The information listed at this wiki page is outdated. If you have any problem visiting its website, it is still unfair to state that it relates to Seborga. Pebble Hills University has changed management and it does no longer claim itself a Seborga University or have any address at Seborga or Italy. Please remove Pebble Hills University from this list. You may refer to www.pebblehills.edu. It is true that it is NOT accredited by any USA accrediting agency but that's the best you can say instead of the whatever link with Seborga. Please correct to keep the information accurate. --PHU2014 (talk) 10:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Georgian International University[edit]

Do editors have any info re Georgian International University? It is in Pennsylvania, but I do not see it listed by the MSA. The particular address for the institution 73 Chestnut Rd, Paoli, PA does not have a street view similar to the photos of GIU's website. --S. Rich (talk) 17:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

There is only one university called "Georgian" accredited according to the CHEA database, namely Georgian Court University, http://www.georgian.edu Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
It appears (for example, from the president's bio) that "Georgian" is somehow related to the country of Georgia, notwithstanding the U.S. address. A Google search on that Paoli, PA, street address lists it as the address of a Burger King, a CPA, CBG Communications, Chriskoll Corp., Helix Healthcare, and several other businesses. Whois indicates that the web domain name was created in May 2011. A search on the phone number only returns a listing for GIU. The uncaptioned images of impressive buildings, the the awards and recognitions that have impressive titles but that you've never heard of (such as Plato Gold Medal of The National Academy of Ukraine, Gold Medal of Gogebashvili Pedagogic Society, and American Attestation Program), and the schools and programs named for famous people are typical of websites for the more creative class of illegitimate institutions. I bet that a good image search could identify the true locations of some of the buildings in the photos. --Orlady (talk) 23:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Removal of the Intercultural Open University Foundation from the List of Unaccredited Institutions of Higher Education[edit]

I request removal of the Intercultural Open University Foundation (IOUF) from the List of Unaccredited Institutions of Higher Education for the following reasons:

1. The IOUF has now signed an academic cooperation agreement with the Universidad Azteca (UAzteca) (http://www.azteca-edu.net/int/component/content/article/40/62.html), a university with full Mexican accreditation that is also listed in the International Handbook of Universities, 2012. (http://www.iau-aiu.net/sites/all/files/m_nw.pdf#Mexico. This partnership will give IOUF learners access to an international double degree program offered jointly by the Universidad Azteca and its partner, the Universidad Central de Nicaragua. The Universidad Central de Nicaragua UCN is also fully accredited (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Central_de_Nicaragua). Upon successful completion of their IOUF doctorate program, participants will now be awarded a Doctor of Philosophy PhD degree from UAzteca and UCN in addition to the IOUF degree.

2. I’d also like to point out that even without the UAzteca accreditation there are numerous flaws in the references used to add IOUF to the unaccredited list. For example, the “Degree Mills – CIMEA” citation (http://www.cimea.it/files/fileusers/Diploma_mills_Luca_Lantero_EN.pdf) is not a credible reference for the following reasons: a) The original source does not contain a valid link to any documentary evidence supporting the writer’s claim that the IOUF has “dubious professors with dubious titles that somehow connect them to UNESCO.” The link was removed by UNESCO years ago. (http://www.education.nairobi.unesco.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1347&Itemid=56) b) CIMEA posted a letter from the IOUF Board of Governors on its website in which the IOUF protests the original “dubious professors” reference. As the original reference had been published in book-form the IOUF was informed that it was impossible for CIMEA to correct the reference but they were prepared to publish the IOUF letter by way of apology: http://www.cimea.it/default.aspx?IDC=2621.

3. The “Skepter” Reference (http://www.skepsis.nl/iou.html -- De Universiteit van Opeinde Skepter) is also flawed. This is a four-year-old article from a magazine that claims to specialize in debunking the paranormal; it was written by someone who claims to be an expert on cults, astrology and new religious movements. (e.g. http://www.skepsis.nl/astrot.html, http://www.skepsis.nl/stagehyp.html). Neither the magazine nor the writer appears to have any background or expertise in distributed education and the article appears to be a catalogue of unreferenced claims written from a non-neutral point of view. In addition, the author of this article quotes a CIMEA reference that was later rescinded (see previous point about CIMEA above).

Contrary to what the Skepter article claims, the IOUF does not promote any specific religious or spiritual belief system nor does it specialize in issues of the paranormal. Please see the list of notable graduates and faculty in the Foundation’s Wikipedia entry for details on the range of academic interest of IOUF graduates and faculty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercultural_Open_University). Some of these notables were the subject of the Wikipedia dispute resolution process, which ultimately confirmed their notability.

An examination of the IOUF website will also give more details about the Foundation’s graduates, faculty and ethos. http://www.ioufoundation.org/index.php/intercultural-open-university-foundation/iou-at-a-glance

In summary, the Skepter article is not a credible source.

4. The “Diploma mafias” reference from the Iraqi news organization, New Sabah, is a faulty resource. ( http://www.newsabah.com/ar/1069/26/11078/dipl-mafia.htm?tpl=21) The New Sabah article specifically states that the Intercultural Open University (Foundation) “is not a diploma factory” but the writer claims the IOUF is “deeply engaged with religious issues, as are many fake universities” and that it cooperates with “a wide variety of similar institutes in Russia, India, Taiwan, Japan and other countries.” This is not proof of lack of accreditation but rather a sloppy collection of speculative comments mixed in with a liberal dash of innuendo.

There are no references used to support the writer’s contention that the IOUF is deeply engaged with religious issues and, as stated above in #3 above, the IOUF does not promote any specific religious or spiritual belief system. The Foundation has no affiliations other than those listed in the IOUF Wikipedia listing and on its website.

In any event, other than stating that the IOUF is not a diploma factory, none of the information in the New Sabah article speaks to the issue of the IOUF’s accreditation.

The New Sabah reference is therefore not a credible source.

5. As referenced in the IOUF Wikipedia entry, the Foundation has earned membership in numerous international learning organizations including: · The Alternative Education Resource Organization (AERO) (http://www.educationrevolution.org/aero-member-schools.html#netherlands (Listed under “International” heading) · The European Distance and E-learning Network (EDEN) (http://www.eden-online.org/membership.html) · The European Foundation for Quality in eLearning (EFQUEL) ·€€€€€€€€ Higher Education Exploring ICT Use for Lifelong Learning (HEXTLEARN) (http://elearning.ugr.es/hextlearn_v2/hextfiles/wp3/reportPeerReviewMethodology.pdf) · the International Association of Educators for World Peace (IAWEP) (http://taiwanauj.nat.gov.tw/fp.asp?xitem=21000&ctNode=122) · the Observatory on Borderless Higher Education (OBHE) · the United States Distance Learning Association (USDLA)

Each of these organizations has criteria for membership, which the IOUF has met.

6. As a footnote that is not entirely relevant to this discussion, the IOUF is no longer headquartered in the Netherlands but maintains offices in Delaware, USA, and Granada, Spain. (See Wikipedia entry and IOUF Website http://www.ioufoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/46-iou-news/216-iou-foundation-contributes-to-reforestation-in-spablo-etla-oaxaca )Stretch call (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

It still exists as a Dutch juridical person. Maybe you should consider canceling its juridical personality and erasing it from the Dutch Trade Register. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
None of the six arguments given above justifies removing this entity from the list. #1 does not have anything to do with whether this is an unaccredited educational institution. #2 is a reliable source on the topic, and it indicates that IOUF is not an accredited institution. The statement about "dubious" faculty is not the basis for listing it as unaccredited. The fact that CIMEA posted correspondence from IOUF on its website does not indicate anything that I can see. I don't know whether the online publication discussed in #3 qualifies as a reliable source, but it is an interesting article about IOUF, and I see no reason not to cite it. The fact that IOUF disagrees with some content in the article (content unrelated to lack of accreditation) and the allegations that it doesn't "look" credible do not demonstrate that it is invalid. Similarly, #4 may or may not be a reliable source. Membership in the organizations listed in #5 is not relevant to whether or not the entity is accredited; these are not accreditors. And as for #6, location is irrelevant to whether or not it is listable in this article. Anyway, ambiguity of location is a common feature of diploma mills. --Orlady (talk) 01:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

We obviously disagree on many issues.

Re: Point #1 You say this has nothing to do with whether this is an unaccredited educational institution. That is incorrect. Our educational partnership agreements do, in fact, confer accreditation on IOUF and if our affiliates had not investigated and approved IOUF of our academic integrity they would never have signed the agreement.

Partnership is not the same as accreditation. There are many educational institutions which teach students who get real degrees from properly accredited universities. But this not imply that accreditation would be transferable through partnership agreements. E.g. European College of Liberal Arts taught BA courses in value studies for many years, wherein degrees were granted by properly accredited American colleges, but until February 2011 ECLA had no such thing as accreditation. Since it is a German educational institution, according to German law, accreditation had to be granted through recognition by the authorities of the state wherein it functions. In February 2011, it got recognized by the Berlin state, so only then it got the legal right to grant degrees by itself. So, accreditation refers to the capacity to grant valid degrees by the educational institution which teaches the courses while through partnerships degrees are granted by other institutions. In the Netherlands such international educational partnerships are called U-bocht constructions. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Point #2 You call CIMEA a reliable source on the topic, and say it indicates that IOUF is not an accredited institution. Further, you state that “The statement about "dubious" faculty is not the basis for listing it as unaccredited. The fact that CIMEA posted correspondence from IOUF on its website does not indicate anything that I can see.”

In actual fact, the precise wording of the CIMEA reference dealing with the IOUF says “the website reports nine modes of operations adopted by agencies that claim to be accredited by UNESCO for each one an example is shown.”

The CIMEA piece goes on to say: “Dubious professors with dubious titles that somehow connect them to UNESCO are mentioned – for instance Intercultural Open University Foundation.”

First of all, IOUF makes no claim to be accredited by UNESCO.

And secondly, IOUF professors have had relationships with UNESCO in the past. That organization took the reference mentioned in the CIMEA article off their website years ago; it no longer exists.

You say that the statement about "dubious" faculty is not the basis for listing it as unaccredited.” Then what is? That is the only reference to IOUF in that article. I’m sorry but your comment does not make sense. And if that is not a relevant citation overall, then why was it included?

Further, you state, “The fact that CIMEA posted correspondence from IOUF on its website does not indicate anything that I can see.” Excuse me, but the fact that they had a choice to either post the letter or not and did post it indicates a degree of acceptance of the IOUF’s complaints.

Point #3 You say, “I don't know whether the online publication discussed in #3 qualifies as a reliable source but it is an interesting article about IOUF, and I see no reason not to cite it.” In every other entry on the discussion page, you have made it clear that reliable sources are mandatory for including an organization on the unaccredited list. If you are not sure that this is a reliable resource why on Earth would you permit it to stand? Unless you have separate rules that apply to the IOUF only.

Point #4 You say “Similarly, #4 may or may not be a reliable source.” Again, if you have doubts about its reliability then why have you permitted its inclusion here?

Point #5 Your point here is that “Membership in the organizations listed in #5 is not relevant to whether or not the entity is accredited; these are not accreditors.” Fine. But such memberships do indicate educational integrity and the fact that many other organizations have approved IOUF as a member should indicate it is not a crass diploma mill as you imply.

Point #6 Your comment: “And as for #6, location is irrelevant to whether or not it is listable in this article. Anyway, ambiguity of location is a common feature of diploma mills.” The point of #6 was to correct misinformation. Your implication that a change of location automatically means IOUF is a diploma mill is a clear violation of Wikipedia’s neutral point of view policy.

IOUF does not belong on the list of unaccredited institutions of higher learning.Stretch call (talk) 01:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

clarified university partnerships[edit]

Global education is increasingly characterized by transatlantic and cross border partnerships. IOU Foundation Website shows that it holds a partnership with two fully accredited Latin American universities. A university partnership combines elements such as: joint initiatives in research and publications, faculty and postdoctoral mobility, collaboration in teaching, shared programs, joint and dual degrees, in this case at the Ph.D level. In any university partnership candidates for dual-degree programs must meet the admissions criteria and degree requirements of each school. Puntero1 (talk) 20:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

That may be, but that doesn't make IOU accredited. Such partnerships are therefore completely irrelevant here. jfeise (talk) 21:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Yet more possible candidates[edit]

[McFord University]] and Panworld University and Headway University, located in Karachi, Pakistan -

McFord University claims to offer scholarships to students -- but everybody is eligible for a scholarship. There is no work required and there is no life experience required either. Everybody that pays gets their degree. They even issue doctorate degrees with no experience required. They are one of 15 fake universities related to Rochville University and Belford University which is currently involved in the class-action lawsuit that alleges Belford University offers fraudulent degrees. They are operated by an organization called Organization for Global Learning Education. http://www.belfordlawsuit.com

Panworld University and Headway University are more clones of the same University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.15.45.192 (talkcontribs)

Edit request on 2 March 2012[edit]

Sancta Sophia Seminary - add website: www.sanctasophia.org add ". . .however, is currently preparing for full accreditation with a recognized agency."

Revsusan2 (talk) 08:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)Dr. Susan Hamilton, Dean

Already doneBility (talk) 17:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The website link would go in the article. Since there is no article, there really is no place to place the website link in this list. Zugman (talk) 21:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Add Westfield University aka college-degree-fast.com[edit]

Westfield University aka college-degree-fast.com and westfield-university.com should be added. News HERE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alirn59 (talkcontribs) 01:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Added to the article. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Berean Bible College unaccredited?[edit]

Berean Bible College does not list any accrediting agency recognized by USDE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alirn59 (talkcontribs) 07:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion on this list requires a reliably source statement that the institution is not accredited. Some schools declare that they refuse to seek government-recognized accreditation, so that's a basis for listing. More often, this list is based on third-party sources such as the ODA. Lack of evidence that a school is accredited is not an acceptable basis for saying it's not accredited. --Orlady (talk) 13:42, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

geteducated.com[edit]

Hi. :) There's a question about the reliability of this source. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#geteducated.com. Thanks! --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


Suggestion[edit]

Have a separate group (here or elsewhere) for 'Theological colleges that have chosen not to seek accreditation' (but which can be reputable nonetheless). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.45.17 (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 October 2012[edit]

I would like to delete European University Of Ireland because their course were validated by professional bodies and by some universities. Faculty members were from international government education sector. Actually it was independent university in Ireland and legal to provide courses if those courses were validated by professional bodies which stated in the Article of Incorporation. Those universities which were established before 1997 are allowed to be called universities according to The Universities Act, 1997. The former name of European University of Ireland was European university college Ireland which established before 1996 and later upgraded to University.

Iceskat (talk) 12:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Iceskat, you don't seem to understand the concept of "accreditation". Please read the article on that topic more carefully. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I have set this edit request to answered in light of the answer above. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ashwood University is Accredited and needs to be removed from this list[edit]

Fact Ashwood University is A accredited legal online university and needs to be removed from this list. 71.206.216.141 (talk) 21:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.216.141 (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Ashwood is not accredited by any accreditation agency that is recognized by the US Department of Education. They claim accreditation on their website, but the accreditation agencies they list are not recognized by the US Department of Education. jfeise (talk) 00:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
That is your opinion by whom, Fact Ashwood University is Accredited and needs to be removed from this list. 71.206.216.141 (talk) 14:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.216.141 (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Please provide WP:RS as to Ashwood's accreditation. Their website claim is WP:SPS. The WP:BURDEN as to accreditation (not non-accreditation) is on you.--S. Rich (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
That's not entirely correct. The burden is on whoever wishes to retain information on Wikipedia, but that burden has already been satisfied with the use of multiple sources. If there is a legitimate competing reliable source, then the topic can be revisited, but as S. Rich said, their website (and those of their affiliated accreditation agencies) are self-published sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

That is your opinion, Ashwood University states that they are accredited so they should be removed from this list now, Fact Ashwood University is accredited. 71.206.216.141 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, to quote the article, "Institutions that appear on this list are those that have granted post-secondary academic degrees or advertised the granting of such degrees, but which are listed as unaccredited by a reliable source." It is listed as unaccredited by reliable sources, so it meets the inclusion criteria. Unless you can provide a reliable source which contradicts that, then there's nothing more to be done here.
Secondly, and getting somewhat far afield from the contents of this article, me making a statement that I am Emperor of Northumbria does not make it so. Using a pair of affiliated accreditation mills which are themselves only traceable to Domains by Proxy (and both using the same website template nonetheless) to prop up a school does not provide a legitimate claim to accreditation. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Crown College (TN) is Pre-accredited and needs to be removed from this list[edit]

While Crown College is not fully accredited, it is a pre-accredited. Candidacy, or pre-accreditation, is not the same as unaccredited (neither does it entail full accreditation). When institutions are unaccredited, they cannot receive federal funds or transfer credits. However, pre-accreditation status or candidacy enables students to qualify for federal financial aid programs, and it often aids in the transferability of the candidate institution’s credits to another college or university. Candidacy (pre-accreditation) indicates that the institution is in basic compliance with the Standards and Criteria, has been evaluated by an on-site peer team, and in the professional judgment of the evaluation team and the Accreditation Commission, the institution provides sound instruction and student services. While the eagerness to list unaccredited schools is admirable, Crown College can no longer be officially listed as unaccredited. If there is a wiki page with "pre-accredited universities and colleges" then that would be appropriate. However, it is misleading to list them here as unaccredited. See the following links on pre-accreditation. [1][2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betakappa19 (talkcontribs) 06:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Done. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 15:00, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://www.ncahlc.org/Information-for-Institutions/candidacy.html
  2. ^ http://www.tracs.org/member.htm
  3. ^ http://www2.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg8.html

Euclid[edit]

The mention of Euclid in a listing of international agreements does not constitute accreditation. Thoughts to the contrary are welcome. But other WP:RS cited will weigh against claims of accreditation. --S. Rich (talk) 04:53, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello. What is claim against accreditation except Verifile? The letter from the United Nations to the Ambassador from December 2012 says that "UNESCO IAU and the UN Secretariat recognize EUCLID as being accredited." Very clear and it says the UN has spoken with UNESCO IAU before writing this statement. UN explains why it was not in the World Higher Education Database. Michigan and Maine have removed EUCLID. Oregon and Texas do not say "unaccredited" any more but something like not usable or not authorized. The old Michigan list even had the United Nations University. The World Maritime University is not listed by Sweden on their UNESCO Portal list... Does not make them not accredited. The government statements of accreditation for EUCLID are 2 many (http://www.pmcar.org/euclide.asp ) and now the United Nations letter confirms it, to keep EUCLID based on the one person from Verifile. The Verifile COI was discussed on the EUCLID talk page. Verifile is a one person, for profit, run by an Israli MBA business. EUCLID was in the Islamic journal before the Verifile issue. Against it is the statement from the United Nations (also speaking for UNESCO IAU) that refutes it. Also the Comoros page on a site hosted by the United Nations at http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/comoros/pid/32110. The topic here is what to say about Verifile no? Discuss welcome. Muez1981 (talk) 15:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
The real question is "What accreditation agency or agencies have accredited Euclid?" List of recognized higher education accreditation organizations gives us a list of agencies that might accredit Euclid. Have any of them done so? We need WP:RS in order to WP:V. We have the Texas, Verifile, and Oregon databases weighing against Euclid, so the WP:BURDEN is met when we describe Euclid as an unaccredited institution. While the list of recognized accreditation organizations is US-centric, it is a starting point. The pmcar.org is not an accrediting agency, so we cannot use it. The listing of an agreement on the un.int comoros page is not an accreditation. The UNESCO portal to recognized higher education institutions does not list Euclid.--S. Rich (talk) 17:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
We are going to need information from reliable sources that independent of Euclid before this is changed. The current or most recent available versions of Verifile/Accredibase, the Oregon (ODA) list, and the Texas list all identify Euclid as lacking accreditation, authorization or other necessary approval. To change the information in this list-article, I would want to see a reliably sourced indication that Euclid now is accredited or approved by a body that is generally deemed to have the necessary authority to approve/accredit/authorize higher education institutions. We do have copies of emails from Maine and Michigan indicating that those states had removed Euclid from their lists, but Euclid is the only source of those emails there is no indication that these states had changed their opinions regarding Euclid's status; we only know that they no longer publish lists that identify Euclid as unaccredited. Although we can't verify the validity of the emails, they appear credible, so they are mentioned in the article about Euclid and those two state lists are not cited for Euclid's entry here. However, I see no basis for changing anything beyond that. --Orlady (talk) 17:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
the problem is that Oregon does not say "unaccredited" but unauthorized in Oregon and "currently reviewing." So that is not denying that there is no accreditation because we have at least CAR saying that they accredit EUCLID. But CAR may not have the standards Oregon wants because ODA now says that requests to remve must be from countries with accreditation like US. Texas list also does not say not unaccredited-they just don't use that term unaccredited.Verifile cannot be accepted because at last two credible sites and official letters say see: Permanent Mission of the Comoros to UN http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/comoros/pid/32110

"Verifile Accredibase is not a reliable source" (thatis a un.int site so we know it's official) and

Permanent Mission CAR to UN http://www.pmcar.org/euclide.asp There is a PDF at the bottom, a letter to the UK ambassador signed by 3 ambassadors, page 2 "Verifile Accredibase, a private UK label, is to be dismissed"

We cannot use Verifile as reliable when two governments say it is not. then the UN says that it and UNESCO IAU recognize Euclide as accredited. That is not a Euclid source and it has a UN reference numbr. Michigan removed the list and from wayback United Nations University was also on it. Strange. Maine only has a list of unaccredited schools and Euclid is not on it any more. Rich cited UNESCO portal but it has only 4 countries in Africa! Euclid is accredited by at least CAR because it has to be to get into membership of Association of African Universities, but at least Oregon and Texas don't think that accreditation is as good as theirs or what they want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muez1981 (talkcontribs) 22:26, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Removed Euclid from this list after http://www.unesco.gm/content/unesco-portal-documents. it show: registration with unesco (contradicts verifile) and that Euclid is recognized = accredited in the unesco filing and in the official circular. Muez1981 (talk) 17:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

B. H. Carroll Theological Institute, Arlington, Texas[edit]

As of February 2012, this school is apparently accredited by "Association for Biblical Higher Education (ABHE)" 24.24.143.176 (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I took it off the list, after checking to verify the information. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 23:49, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Ecole supérierure Robert de sotbon (France)[edit]

We are considering legal action in France (Citation Direct) against wikipedia and the unknown editor who protects its not serious work. De sorbon is a french Private Institution that was created in 2004 (i.e. 9 years ago). In france there are no accreditation but a dual system of Public and Private Universities . De Sorbon for more than 9 years may grant degrees legally in France as pr article l-731-14 of the Fhttp://legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do;jsessionid=3518DADFBC0E983D6813BE2D1B309ACD.tpdjo10v_3?idArticle=LEGIARTI000006525468&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006071191&dateTexte=20130404 French code of Education. Title III Livre VII. We ask you and wikipedia to immediately delete this false assumptions. The Ecole sup´´rieure robert de sorbon is not in the US nor Comoros but is a legitimate French private institution of Higher Education. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdelafaide (talkcontribs) 21:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:No legal threats. Feel free to contact Wikimedia Foundation -- see this page for details. Note that threats of legal action against other users can cause your edit access to be blocked. --Orlady (talk) 21:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Maybe this helps: http://www.degreeinfo.com/accreditation-discussions-ra-detc-state-approval-unaccredited-schools/18499-robert-de-sorbon-evaluation.html Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 May 2013[edit]

Please add to the list; Team Impact Christian University (www.tiuniversity.com) Team Impact Christian University (www.ticu.ca) World-Wide Accreditation Commission for Christian Educational Institutions (no website) The source of this is a letter from the Board of Regents in the state of Louisiana available on request. Errol Goetsch (errol@xe4.org) 41.174.7.232 (talk) 13:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source - Camyoung54 talk 13:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. Here is a letter from the Board of Regents, Louisiana. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6LXy9sguZVkXzNaZUJHY2EtbTg/edit?usp=sharing

Edit request on 5 May 2013[edit]

Please add Charis Bible College - Colorado to the list.

Source: http://www.charisbiblecollege.org/about-us/faq — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.61.53 (talk) 02:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Done --ElHef (Meep?) 03:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Global TV University[edit]

This institution, at http://www.globaltvu.us/ seems related to TVU, it is run by the TVU founder Susan Su, as per their [1] Administration page. Their website doesn't mention anything about accreditation, just that their credits can't be transferred out. Hence I am not sure if it can be listed here. I checked the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education, and this institution isn't listed there. jfeise (talk) 23:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a binary choice, accredited or not accredited. It doesn't claim accreditation and I think that is grounds for listing here. More on Su[2]. Dougweller (talk) 09:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
What a nerve. It's at the same address that was raided over TVU.[3] [4]. Dougweller (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Um, but we really can't list a school as unaccredited unless we have affirmation of the lack of accreditation. Mere absence of evidence accreditation isn't enough. (Read the archives of this page for the background on why this is the policy here.) I am removing Global TV U from the list and redirecting the name to the TVU page. --Orlady (talk) 18:08, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2013[edit]

Please add Rapture Ready Seminary to the List of Unaccredited Seminaries.

Drwealthy (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I did not make the change. In order to add an institution to this list, we need a reliable source that verifies that it has granted post-secondary academic degrees or advertised the granting of such degrees and that it is unaccredited. Do you have reference citations that say this? --Orlady (talk) 17:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

All Institutions Start Out As Unaccredited[edit]

There are so many errors on this Wikipedia site it is unbelievable, and that is why colleges and universities advise students not to use Wikipedia. Competitors often bad-mouth other places, so give little credence to Wikipedia. Any nut case can put up anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uniman4u (talkcontribs) 13:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

A number of universities actually give students assignments on Wikipedia. As for nut case articles, you say this after carefully reading WP:NOTABILITY, WP:VERIFY, etc? I think not. And not all institutions start out as unaccredited, that's simply false. Dougweller (talk) 18:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Bircham International University[edit]

There are two incorrect entries about Bircham International University.

Bircham International University connection with Oxford is incorrect. This statement was corrected by the Oregon department of Education years ago. It was then recited based on the publication by John Bear. John Bear has also made public a correction to his latest edition of his guide and his entry about Bircham International University. The correction has been published on two forums: http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/45894-bircham-international-university-revisited.html http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9556 Consequently the entry about Bircham International University should be based on the posting established by the Oregon DOE which states that Bircham International University is a Foreign institution not accredited in the USA (or Oregon). This is the meaning of the (F) that describes this entry.

Additionally, Bircham International University has been linked with Crossworld Institute based on an error also corrected by the Oregon DOE. This reference to Bircham should be deleted (not the entry about Crossworld). Both references should be edited as suggested. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.157.176.30 (talk) 10:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request 10/09/2013[edit]

Request to add University Of Oxbridge: http://www.universityofoxbridge.co.uk/programs.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.145.210.230 (talk) 13:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

3 requests for comments: euclid, u of people, united nations university[edit]

posted this after revert from jfeise to edits

about euclid now

to orlady, and muez: central african republic seems to have been the problem. if requesting "I would want to see a reliably sourced indication that Euclid now is accredited or approved by a body that is generally deemed to have the necessary authority to approve/accredit/authorize higher education institutions" : the Gambia ministry of higher education has done that recently (july 2013) and posted the documents on their unesco.gm site. this also in-validates the verifile report that says that no country has registed euclid with unesco. we can see that euclid has been registered by the ministry, as "recognized" = "accredited". also now the united nations has published the actual text and signatures of the treaties on treaties.un.org maybe texas will never accept euclid because of gambia too, but it is not true that it is not accredited as the gambia documents show. will wait for comments before editing or adding a section recognized institutions like euclid but with restrictions of use.

about university of the people

not sure why this addition was reverted. the school is very interesting and well supported , and has california state approval, but says frankly that it is not accredited. it should be in the list.

about unu japan

there was vandalism on the unu page because there is confusion because there is a fake unu in india and it was listed on the old michigan list one can still find it. the real unu is a genuine un institution and the letter from the un about euclid (december 2012) says that the un and unesco recognize the 5 international universities including euclid and unu as accredited (though they are not in the whed). but recently, the real unu in japan has announced that it is not yet accredited by japan but will apply. so should unu (the real one) be added as unaccredited by japan? Agrostu (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I added University of the People to the list. These other comments seem incoherent. If I can't tell what you are talking about, I can't respond. --Orlady (talk) 03:08, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

American National University is accredited[edit]

Since the American National University mentioned in this article was closed in 2002, we request that you remove this name from your list. In 2013, a new university began operating as American National University (ANU) in Virginia. This university used to be known as National College, National College of Business & Technology, and National Business College. For more information, see http://www.an.edu/about/evolution-2086/. ANU is accredited by the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools. ANU is also approved for the training of veterans and vocational rehabilitation students, and is authorized under federal law to enroll non-immigrant alien students. The Virginia campuses are recognized by the State Council of Higher Education. To read more, http://www.an.edu/about/accreditation/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NancyCSimmons (talkcontribs) 18:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 October 2013 Newburgh Theological Seminary ( and College of the Bible)[edit]

166.216.226.56 (talk) 06:11, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Not done: This article is a list of unaccredited institutions. Its lead section states: "Institutions that appear on this list are those that have granted post-secondary academic degrees or advertised the granting of such degrees, but which are listed as unaccredited by a reliable source." According to this page on the Seminary's own web site, it is "Accredited by Transworld Accrediting Commission International". We cannot include it unless you can identify a reliable (i.e. independent) source stating that the Seminary is unaccredited. --Stfg (talk) 08:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect link for "Greenwich University"[edit]

The initial "Greenwich University" link which refers to Norfolk Island should jump to that Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_University_(Norfolk_Island)). However, it jumps instead to the page for Greenwich University in London. The subsequent Greenwich University, London, link is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.113.109 (talk) 17:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Orlady (talk) 20:22, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Akamai University is accredited, pls remove from this list[edit]

Pls remove Akamai University from this page due to Akamai University already accredited by ASIC, UK http://www.asic.org.uk/collegedirectoryInternational.php [deleted large copy and paste as copyvio] Vckhoo (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

They are not an accreditation agency in the sense of this list. As our article on them says, "ASIC states that its accreditation of international educational establishments "neither confers nor validates degree-awarding powers" and cautions prospective students to confirm that the awards granted by the educational institution have the level of recognition sufficient for their purposes." Dougweller (talk) 21:58, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2014[edit]

Pebble Hills University, Italy - A police fraud investigation revealed that the University's "headquarters" in Seborga, Italy is a room in a building used as a cellar, also the home of ten other diploma mills: Saint Bernard University, Eurasia Community College, Instituto Latinoamericano de Psicobiofisica - I.L.A.P.; St. Paul Ottawa College & University, Phoenix International University Europe, West Coast University - WCU; The International University; Miranda International University; Marquis Open University; and James Monroe International University[6] We do not claim that we are at Seborga, Italy - Please refer to www.pebblehills.edu Sagar nxsol (talk) 10:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 13:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Please refer to the website at www.pebblehills.edu. The university is no longer in any relationship with Seborga. This piece of information is totally outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.244.102.164 (talk) 10:26, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2014[edit]

University of the People, cited in this list, is now accredited but DETC as of Feruary 2014. http://uopeople.edu/files/consumer_information.pdf 63.66.64.247 (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

  • DETC confirms the accreditation, so I'm removing the school from this list. Thanks for the update! --Orlady (talk) 19:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2014[edit]

Next to American International University place these words in parentheses (not to be confused with American InterContinental University of Hoffman Estates, IL and Atlanta, GA). This is crucial because some employers look for this information or hear the name of the university and immediately assume its AIU (American InterContinental University) when its actually the diploma mill AIU (American International University. Thanks.

Iam8worthy (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, though I did not list the cities - the Wikipedia article on American InterContinental University has campus location information and is now linked from this list. --ElHef (Meep?) 22:25, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014[edit]

This is a page that list out all the universities which are not accredited by "Accreditation Service for International Colleges" (ASIC). I have reviewed the AKAMAI University. The University already accredited by ASIC. Thus, It is breach of the condition that still put AKAMAI University in the list of unaccredited institutions of higher education (by ASIC). Please remove the AKAMAI University in the list.


Reference: - ASIC has been formed to bring independent information to both the student population and the wider Higher Education world, through its international accreditation service with well-defined and objective benchmarking.

http://www.asicuk.com/international-directory/ Accreditation Status of Akamai University: Premier Institution, Accredited,

http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/accreditation.html


Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2014[edit]

Please remove the name of Pebble Hills University. Emilia Technologies Pvt. Ltd. (talk) 11:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request.
I can't even check Pebble Hills University's website, as it is blocked by McAfee as being too dangerous to visit - Arjayay (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Please try again since I visit its website at www.pebblehills.edu and there is no problem. Or you may try google chrome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.244.102.164 (talk) 10:29, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2014[edit]

please add Glenford University in your list. They are supposed to be located in New York City - http://www.glenforduniversity.com/ - it is a scam and I got robbed with $2000 Sherill Crawl (talk) 14:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:41, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

°== Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2014 ==


Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 11:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Change of Article Title[edit]

The writer of this page create this article that list out any universities which is/are not accredited by [ACCREDITATION SERVICE for INTERNATIONAL SCHOOLS,COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES] (ASIC), UK or the national/regional accreditation agencies in the US.

After I have reviewed the page, the title of this page is not precise and accurate enough to describe the page since the title of this page is "List of unaccredited institutions of higher education" It will mislead people that they are not accredited by any agency.

It would be more appropriate that the title should be changed to "Universities which are not accredited by ASIC, UK or the national/regional accreditation agencies in the US." — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeyondJiu (talkcontribs) 06:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Please remove Preston University from the list.[edit]

It is a Pakistani University: Preston University, Kohat NWFP has been chartered by the Government of NWFP through Ordinance No. LII of 2002, and is recognized by the Higher Education Commission, Government of Pakistan. HEC has placed the University in the highest category ‘W’. Preston University, Karachi has been chartered by the Government of Sindh, through Sindh Act No. V of 1999 published in 2004, and recognized by the Higher Education Commission, Government of Pakistan. HEC has placed the University in the highest category ‘W’. The degrees awarded since 1999 are recognized by the higher Education Commission, Government of pakistan." Please quote the source for the claim.

Reference: http://preston.edu.pk/introduction.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeyondJiu (talkcontribs) 06:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit request for Pebble Hills Uniiversity[edit]

Change from:

Pebble Hills University, Italy - A police fraud investigation revealed that the University's "headquarters" in Seborga, Italy is a room in a building used as a cellar, also the home of ten other diploma mills: Saint Bernard University, Eurasia Community College, Instituto Latinoamericano de Psicobiofisica - I.L.A.P.; St. Paul Ottawa College & University, Phoenix International University Europe, West Coast University - WCU; The International University; Miranda International University; Marquis Open University; and James Monroe International University[6]

Change to:

Pebble Hills University LLC, Delaware


Reference: 1. www.pebblehills.edu/explore/about-the-university/ - Its website does not mention that they are at Italy. Their registered address is at 113 Barksdale Professional Center, City of Newark, Country of New Castle, Zip Code 19711 - which should be where they are incorporated. 2. http://delawarecompanies.us/pebble-hills-university-llc.2307145.company - It shows that its company number registered at Delaware is 3940525 3. http://www.iao.org/IAO/MemberArea/Accreditation-Profile.aspx?ec=89035 - Its IAO accreditation page also shows that it is registered at Delaware, USA 4. http://www.elakgroup.com/pebble_hill_university.php - "Being a global university, Pebble Hills University, incorporated in America (Delaware, US) under Delaware LLC Statutes: Delaware Code, Title 6; Chapter 18." 5. The source you mentioned is very outdated and the website of Pebble Hills University has been revised several times already - its updated website: www.pebblehills.edu 6. It is understandable that you place it in the list but it is really not claiming itself a Seborga, Italy university (at least no longer claiming that) - I hope to keep this list updated since it could be a helpful source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeyondJiu (talkcontribs) 06:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2014[edit]

Please add to your request the following college which is fake and deceiving a lot of people here at the middle east region http://www.cambridgekipp.com/ www.facebook.com/CambridgeKipp And they give to students Master of business administration which is accredited from UK and you check by yourself at https://www.gov.uk/check-a-university-is-officially-recognised/listed-bodies

And they claim that accredited from World Research Academics & Schools (WRSCS) WHICH ALSO IS FAKE www.wrscs.org/ www.facebook.com/wrscs Leo Hanly

Leohanly (talk) 20:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You'll need to supply a source that specifically says Cambridge Kipp is not accredited. Stickee (talk) 03:55, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2014[edit]

Andersonville Theological Seminary (formerly Andersonville Baptist Seminary), Camilla, Georgia[1] ATS website states that it is accredited by Transworld Accrediting Commission, "on the list of Association of Christian Schools International (ACSI) Recognized College Programs", and by the National Accrediting Agency of Private Theological Institutions.[2] None of these organizations are listed as a recognized accreditation agencies in the United States. At one o, ATS was a candidate for accreditation with the Assoication for Biblical Higher Education, which is recognized by the US Department of Education, but withdrew its candidacy. Please note, that any religious institution can choose to remain exempt from accreditation from a from any accreditation body recognized by the U.S. Department of education due to separation of church and state. Andersonville Theological Seminary is authorized by the state of Georgia in which to grant degrees.

  1. ^ http://www.andersonvilleseminary.com/accreditation.html
  2. ^ Our History.

Dr Thomas Woods (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 03:19, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2014[edit]

<Freedom Bible College and Seminary has relocated to Siloam Springs, Arkansas 72761 and runs their school from 1270 Highway 412 W Street. Suite K Graham1234556 (talk) 19:59, 22 October 2014 (UTC)!-- Begin request -->

Graham1234556 (talk) 19:59, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 00:35, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2014[edit]

Please add Ray University to the list 196.27.82.249 (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Hi there. To add them, we will need a source that states they are unaccredited. Stickee (talk) 00:00, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2014[edit]

Please remove Herguan University from this list of Unaccredited schools. It is now accredited by ACICS.

Here is the citation:

http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/InstAccrDetails.aspx?756e697469643d3233353838342663616d70757349643d30267264743d31322f31392f323031342031313a32393a323220504d

BusterBrown66 (talk) 04:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Sam Sing! 14:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2014[edit]

walesbridge university http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/education/beware-of-scholarships-by-fake-online-universities-1.1406802 194.36.164.228 (talk) 10:48, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done: [5]. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 15:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)