Talk:List of wars involving Poland
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- 1 Polish contribution to the Thirty Years War
- 2 Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units)
- 3 Polish-Swedish War of 1634?
- 4 Campaignboxes
- 5 List of Polish uprisings
- 6 Polish-Russian War (1654-1656) and Polish-Russian War (1658-1667)
- 7 against germany
- 8 omitted wars
- 9 B-class review
- 10 Khmelnytsky Uprising
Polish contribution to the Thirty Years War
The Commonwealth was not officially involved in the war, but id did contribute some of its forces:
- The elitary light cavalry, known as lisowczycy (after their commander, colonel Lisowski), sent by Sigismund III Vasa to fight under Emperor Ferdinand II's command. In 1619 they rescued Vienna from a Transylvanian siege and helped defeat Bohemians at Bila Hora.
- In 1629 Polish Pomerania was invaded by the Swedes. Wallenstein sent help to aid Koniecpolski defend that territory. Later, in exchange, Poland contributed its vessels to Wallenstein's navy (the ships were eventually lost).
- Russian historians also consider Polish and Swedish wars against Russia in that time to be part of the 30 Years War.
--Kpalion 14:32, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I knew about Lisowczycy, I knew about 1629 invasion and 1634 war (And i know that Swedes were proimary initiators of that by funding Muscovy etc), but have no idea about Wallenstein's aid. Anyway, POland was not directly involved in the war, isn't it?.
- Maybe not -- it depends on what you mean by "directly". But for the purpose of this list, I've defined "Polish wars" as military conflicts in which Polish armed forces participated or which took place on Polish territory. The 30 Years Was fulfills this definition and it doesn't matter here if the Polish gov't was officially involved or not. --Kpalion 19:06, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Ok - that's my fault. I failed to notice that initial definition. But then, the phrase "on Polish territory", is tricky. Silesian wars between Austria and Prussia were on current Polish territory.. Szopen
Forgive the spam, but I'm trying to round up wikipedians with an interest in international military history to help work out some conventions for the names of military units. If you are interested in that sort of thing, please visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units) and join the discussions on the talk page. — B.Bryant 17:47, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't recall such a war. IIRC both side made preparations, but the war never happened. From Wladislaw IV article: "After the southern campaign, Commonwealth was threatened from the north. Sweden, weakened by involvement in the Thirty Years' War, agreed to sign the Armistice of Stuhmsdorf (Treaty of Szturmska Wieś) in 1635, favourable to the Commonwealth in terms of territorial concessions." Unless sb provides evidence to the contrary, I will remove this war from the list. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:33, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
List of Polish uprisings
I'd like to merge List of Polish uprisings into this article, as this article already covers most of the uprisings. Besides, some of the uprisings were all-out wars anyway. Appleseed 19:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'd keep merge them here, but keep a separate article with a list of uprisings as well. After all there is a reason why some of the wars were named uprisings and some were not. Halibutt 02:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- This demands rewriting some parts of the original article relating the 19th century as the uprisings are called there differently. NoychoH 14:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
If there was a peace treaty or anything of that kind than of course : separate wars. Else : one war. Ask yourself if there was such a treaty ;-)
There is alot of wars against germany. Germay was only formed in the 1800s before that it would have been the Holy Roman Empire. Wouldn't it? Laconia 15:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the list of wars clearly includes wars in which Poles participated (but not Poland as a geopolitical entity), I don't understand why certain wars are omitted. For instance, how is the participation of polish nationals in the Napoleonic wars (documented in the article) any different from the same participation of polish nationals in the Russo-Japanese war (ommited from the list) or any other Russian imperial conquests (were there not any poles under the walls of Tashkent?). Incidentally, a question for fellow polish wikipedia editors - could you recomend any polish literature with themes of polish participation in the Russo-Japanese war or the military machine of the Russian Empire in general? With respect, Ko Soi IX (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Poland participated as a geopolitical entity in the Napoleonic wars, see the Duchy of Warsaw. Moreover, Poles participated in those wars in great numbers and formed their own, strictly Polish units (for example szwoleżerowie). None of this applies to the Russo-Japanese war.
I am a bit puzzeled why the Khmelnytsky Uprising is labeled a Polish-Lithuanian victory in this article. Since it lead to End of the Polish influence over Cossacks' Rus/Ruthenia (Ukraine) and decline of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Polish-Lithuanian forces lost the last 2 battles of the war. Is it not better to lable it Indecisive? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:23, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
- When was the end of the Khmelnytsky Uprising? Treaty of Zhvanets not ended this uprising and fight still ongoing. And after 1653, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth still have an influence on the Cossacks. For example, after the Battle of Ozerna in 1655, Bohdan Khmelnytsky was forced to sign the Treaty in which agreed to break relations with Russia and agreed to provide military aid to Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Or Treaty of Hadiach.Kcdlp (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hence I proposed the label: Indecisive. The Treaty of Hadiach was not the surrendering of the Zaporozhian Cossacks. Poland-Lithuania had to make compromises too in the Treaty of Hadiach. A war is won when 1 of the parties involved surrenders or has lost large parts of its capacity's to fight. Anything other then that: Indecisive. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:38, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Also I think that the outcome of this war should be indecisive, because the fight in Ukraine really ended in 1671. Yes, in the Treaty of Hadiach both sides agreed to compromise, but I gave this treaty as an example of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth had an influence on the Cossacks, after 1653.Kcdlp (talk) 01:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)