Talk:Local government in New Jersey

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Expert attention[edit]

Someone with a good knowledge of New Jersey geography and local government needs to attend to this page to turn it from a skeleton to a highly useful summary. Nyttend (talk) 14:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

A useful source[edit]

Cerra, Michael F. "Forms of Government", from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities, is a wonderful source summarizing the various forms and providing references to other primary sources. I've already referenced it regarding Loch Arbour as the only village form, but this can be used elsewhere. Alansohn (talk) 22:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Salmore, Barbara G. and Stephen A. New Jersey Politics and Government: The Suburbs Come of Age. Third Edition, Rivergate Books, 2008. is another great source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.92.177 (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Unincorporated communities[edit]

I think this may be the best place to discuss what it means to be an unincorporated community in New Jersey. Perhaps we can base this on an old revision of Unincorporated community (New Jersey) (beware redirect). Or do people think that would be out-of-scope for this article, since it is specifically non-government? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 00:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not a type of local government, but certainly the idea of an area without its own local government would do well to be covered here. New York and Wisconsin both cover such communities in their local government articles. Nyttend (talk) 13:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I took a first stab at it with a new section, Communities without a distinct municipal government. I'm not sure if my wording and terminology is correct or optimal, so I would appreciate some proofreading and copyediting. Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 21:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Chris, it seems to imply that there are areas without a municipal government at all, which is not true in NJ. In any other place, these are called neighborhoods. Before the moves and redirects, there was this version of the original article. Might be better than rewriting from scratch. Jim Miller See me | Touch me | Review me 21:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry if it wasn't clear. Replaced. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 02:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I've also changed the Unincorporated community (New Jersey) redirect to point here. If the section title is changed, please update the redirect. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Broad powers[edit]

"New Jersey counties have powers that are intermediate between the broad powers of counties in Pennsylvania and the limited powers of counties in New York." Not questioning the idea that New Jersey's counties have powers between the powers of Pennsylvania and New York counties, but do Pennsylvania counties really have broad powers? From what I understand, they don't even have the authority to operate police departments, except for a sheriff's office that doesn't really have much of any police powers. Nyttend (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

County government in the United States[edit]

Hello, New Jersey! To defuse the edit war that has started at Category:County government in the United States, I'd appreciate some additional input on the topic of whether U.S. counties are (1) a level of local government or (2) an arm of state government. Discussion thus far is on my User talk page at User_talk:Orlady#County_government, but we could move it to a content-oriented talk page if desired. --Orlady (talk) 00:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello NJ. I am the other side of the edit war. My claim is that although county officials may be elected or appointed locally (i.e. not statewide), the actual county government itself is an arm of the state government. This is consistent with the powers they exercise (elections, law enforcement, etc.). If we could have some academically informed input, I would appreciate it, because the general impression and intuition that people have is that county government is "local government," but to those who actually study political science formally, the difference is known. The compromise that I propose is the persons should be categorized under "local politicians" while the offices should be categorized under "state government." Greg Bard (talk) 00:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I have posted this issue to WikiProject United States, and WikiProject Politics. Please take your input to one or the other so I don't have to have 50 discussions. Greg Bard (talk) 01:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Gregbard started discussion of this matter at User_talk:Orlady#County_government. Please don't start a whole new discussion at some WikiProject page. If there is a desire to move the discussion, let's copy the pre-existing discussion to the new location. --Orlady (talk) 02:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)