Talk:Local government in Wales

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Use of data in Office of National Statistics maps[edit]

Alistair Dent, the Mapping Services Manager for the Office of National Statistics, has advised the helpdesk that this article has been used as research material in developing maps for a forthcoming publication. Well done to all those involved in preparing the article. Capitalistroadster 00:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Mysterious 1887-1888 Commission[edit]

Found reference in Commons Hansard of 1972 July 20 (cols 1095 onward) to a boundary commission "a Boundary Commission in 1887-1888" which apparently recommended the union of Flintshire with Denbigshire. We have Barry Jones proposing a Flintshire separate from Clwyd (with detached parts and all!), Nicholas Edwards, MP for Pembroke, keeping an independent Pembrokeshire from Dyfed : he claims that he "and some of my constituents presented a petition to the Secretary of State signed by 55,562 people over the age of 18", noting this is more than 78% of the electorate in Pembrokeshire. Concern was raised over the idea the Welsh language might be imposed on Pembrokeshire.

George Thomas then proposes an amendment to merge Mid Glamorgan and South Glamorgan into a single East Glamorgan : argument is put forward that Cardiff would dominate South Glamorgan too much and Mid Glamorgan is not viable. debates lasts from column 1147 to 1211, but was negatives. Roy Hughes moved a half-hearted amendment to keep Newport as a county borough outside of Gwent (the amendment appears to be malformed, but hey), this is quickly negatived. Neil Kinnock moved an amendment to have the Rhmney Valley district in Gwent rather than Mid Glamorgan. Mr Rowlands moved an amendment to have a Heads of the Valleys (that name seems to keep cropping up) county, including Merthyr, Brynnmawr, Llanelly, Rhondda, Aberdae, Galligae, Mountain Ash, Abertilley, Bedwellty, Ebbw Vale, etc... these all have been negatived. Next amendment: Caerwyn Roderick noted he had "no love for Powys" but proposed an amendment to keep all of Brecknockshire in Powys. 194.66.226.95 18:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be the commission set up under the Local Government (Boundaries) Act 1887 in preparation for local government reform. Unfortunately I have yet to see their (500 page) report. I t doesn't appear to have been debated in parliament, just "placed in the library". When I get rich I will get the British Library to scan it to disc for me Lozleader (talk) 10:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have found a bit more: it was actually a proposal by the justices of the two counties to amalgamate. The Times of March 15, 1888 notes that the magistrates of Flintshire voted to merge with Denbighshire by the casting vote of the chairman. In Denbighshire the chair of the quarter sessions proposed supporting the merger, but this was lost by a single vote. The matter was to be left up to the Boundary Commissioners. Lozleader (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Police and fire[edit]

Might it be a good idea to have a section on the police and fire service areas, like is done at Subdivisions of Scotland?. G-Man * 22:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Counties of Wales[edit]

I wasn't aware of this policy about historic counties. After reading the policy, I would say that the categories I created are put into a historic context in the categorisation structure by grouping them under Category:Towns in Wales by historic county. I would not object to having them reverted, if this is deemed to be confusing the issue about current administrative divisions and former counties. ArfonOwen (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)