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MONTEZ ES UNA DE LAS MAS GENIAAS PERSONAS

There is a book by the Serbian author Milos Crnjanski - "A Drop of Spanish Blood", with Lola Montez as the central character. That was his first novel.

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That's interesting.

There's a gap in the main bio article, thus...

In 1848 under pressure from a growing revolutionary movement Ludwig abdicated, and Lola fled Bavaria for the United States. This effectively ended her career as a courtesan. [4]

From 1851 to 1853 she performed as a dancer and actress in the eastern United States

But between 1848 and 1851 didn't Lola with her entourage pass through the Panama isthmus (I got that bit from G.M. Fraser), and then perform her dance in the California goldfields?

Original pic of L.M. here ...

http://www.divasthesite.com/images/Society_Divas/Lola_Montez_02.jpg

hmmmmm

EDIT: the RTE (Irish television) article is astonishing

http://www.rte.ie/tv/hiddenhistory/hernamewaslola.html

Patrick Miles 17:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Patrick Miles[reply]

Grass Valley[edit]

Seriously, why is the city of Grass Valley so taken by this floozy? Isaac Crumm 20:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because she had a more exciting history than the town itself.

Good answer. Anyway, the Wild West had a whore or two in it. 170.170.59.138 (talk) 06:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sex work entrepeneurs. she was the steve jobs of her time.76.254.33.165 (talk) 05:55, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate[edit]

Why the discrepancy on her birthdate? It would seem that there are three different dates. Is there a more definitive source? --MatchesMalone 15:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC) I have a birthdate from a French astrological website showing her to have been born 23 June 1818.Theirjeanne (talk) 11:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC) birth data seems to be very accurate,so I believe this to be the correct birthdate.[reply]

The Australian Dictionary of Biography has a different birth date http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/montez-lola-4226. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.29.14 (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How Montez Met Ludwig I[edit]

The entertaining rumour that at the time they met Ludwig had asked her in public if her bosom was real, to which her response was to tear off enough of her garments and prove it[4][5] is entirely unfounded, and the story only first appeared many decades after Lola's death.

There is another rumour that she overheard Ludwig in the other room trying to get out of meeting her so she barged straight in. Wrestling with the guards in the process, her dress was torn off the shoulders, baring her full breasts before his royal gaze. Subsequently, he agreed to see more of her. I would like to include this version of the rumour in the article as well, but is there a consensus that it too is equally unfounded, for similar reasons? --Susurrus (talk) 05:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do hope you can find a WP:RS for this ridiculous delightful story. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 22:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the source for the above rumor that Susurrus mentioned if you want to include it.<ref name="48LawsPower77">{{cite book|last=Greene|first=Robert|title=The 48 Laws of Power|publisher=Penguin Books|year=2000|pages=77|isbn=0140280197}}</ref> --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading "Lola in Damn Yankees"[edit]

I reverted an image of the record cover for the musical "Damn Yankees" that had the caption "Lola in Damn Yankees" because it was misleading. Lola Montez is not the woman pictured and she is in neither the cast nor the plot of that musical. The association that exists is that LM is said in one source to be the inspiration for the phrase Whatever Lola Wants, Lola Gets that is also the title of a song in the musical. That can be mentioned in the article but the image was misleading. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no misrepresentation. The image does not purport to be the original Lola. There is no doubt that Lola Montez's "Whatever Lola Wants, Lola Gets" is the origin of that song title that "Lola" sings in that musical. That is a very interesting connection to Lola Montez and the addition of that familiar image only refers to that little known, but unquestionably accurate, fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.170.138 (talk) 17:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where on Earth is Landsfeld/t?[edit]

I've just been searching for more details on this and can find literally nothing except the fact that Lola Montez was the Countess of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.121.26 (talk) 17:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to The Uncrowned Queen', "her new title was derived from the first syllables of Landshut and Feldberg, her new domain." (page 111) Hope that helps! Kaguya-chan (talk) 16:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quote "She used her influence to institute liberal reforms."[edit]

This is unsourced. Being from Munich myself ad having see several TV documrntations on the subject I highly doubt this statement. Please give a source or remove it!84.152.59.81 (talk) 11:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death[edit]

The second to last sentence states she died a month before she turned 40, while the last sentence states that her tombstone correctly states her age at death as 42, these contradict each other.

67.190.32.81 (talk) 06:10, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes neither have a reliable citation.--Akrasia25 (talk) 00:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Death again[edit]

According to the German Wikipedia, she died of long-term consequences of a stroke she'd suffered half a year before her death, combined with contracting pneumonia in December 1860, whereas this article claims it was syphilis. --2003:EF:1702:2752:64CC:2919:3351:BAFC (talk) 00:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes neither have a reliable citation but it is only implied that she died of her syphilis.--Akrasia25 (talk) 00:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some Additional Sources Should Be Added[edit]

"LOLA MONTEZ: AN ADVENTURESS OF THE 'FORTIES" by Edmund B. D'Auvergne (Edmund Basil) published in 1909 (https://archive.org/details/cu31924028390254/page/n7/mode/2up), and "The Uncrowned Queen: Life of Lola Montez" by Ishbel Ross (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1293547.The_Uncrowned_Queen)

It seems to me she was born into nobility, cavorted with nobility across the globe, and ended up dying of an STD (as one might expect). The continual downplaying of extreme privilege on this website remains an absolute mystery to me, and it should be obvious that the use of a stage name by Gilbert was intended to obscure her noble origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.246.119 (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]