the page says milan is italy's second most visited town but, actually, the link says it is in third position after Rome and Venice! Moreover there should be some explanation, i don't think milan is, even, third in terms of touristic value because it is visited for business purposes more than touristic ones...if we count how many people come to milan each year for art and culture the city, probably, would be behind other towns like florence (apart from rome the ones we cited before) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 12:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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Province of Lombardy:Monza and Brianza
Province of Monza and Brianza, is an officially province of Italy and now it is operational. The province of Monza and Brianza is indipendent from the province of Milan! Visit the web official site www.provincia.mb.it. The inhabitants oh the province of Milan 3.170.273 and are not longer 3.900.000.
Unfortunately the map shows Liguria not Lombardy -- can someone edit? --mervyn 14:32, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Done. I have also used the flag from the Italian wikipedia. Kumo 12:34, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
ItalianVisits.com, is just link spam, a two small pages with 6 small uncaptioned photos and 3 links, the purpose of which is to draw people to "I.V. Tours".
The person who added ItalianVisits has systematically gone thru the 20 regions on Wikipedia to add that site to each, without any regard for improving Wikipedia, no attempt even at adding the official site for the various regions. This is therefore a link spam campaign, and should probably be considered vandalism. I've warned that user, and if need be (there have already been some reverts for other regional pages) will put them on the Vandalism in Progress page. If you have this page on your watchlist, please help in maintaining the quality of the links! Bill 14:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Rebuttal to Bill Thayer
Bill, I am the "someone" who added links to ItalianVisits.com on the various Italian Regional sites - and I don't think I was commiting "link spam" or engaged in vandalism when I did so. ItalianVisits.com is a serious endeavour being undertaken by my daughter, Jesse Andrews, who for the past 2 years has been living in Praia A Mare, in the northwest region of Calabria. My other daughter, Arianna, is attending university at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, and also contributes to the ItalianVisits website when she can.
If you look at the section on Calabria, you will see how much work and effort has been put into cataloguing towns and villages that are virtually unknown to English-speaking people, whether they are travelers or tourists, or people who have a curiousity about the area. You will note, I hope, the abundance of wonderful photographs that compliment the text, and present our viewers with images that otherwise would not be available. Incidentally, you should also note the link to Wikipedia resources whereever and whenever there is material on Wikidpedia about a region, town or other locale. We are as committed to Wikipedia as you are.
Jesse has created a vessel into which more information is being added every day. I just spent 15 days in Umbria, for instance, and added pages for Perugia, Assisi, Spello, Bevagna, Gubbio and the Regional Park at Colfiorito. Other contributors, like Katherine Lavallee, have added information about other towns in Tuscany. Such contributions are solicited eagerly so that we can fatten the content on the site.
ItalianVisits.com is hardly a come-on for selling tour packages, although we are trying to attract people to "unknown" parts of Italy, and in so doing, get some business to those out of the way places for local restauranteurs, hoteliers, and others in the travel business. If you are aware of what is going on in Italy now, you will understand that the economy is depressed, owing largely to various difficulties it has and is facing as it tries to integrate with the EU, and as it attempts to compete in a global economy. So, having information for travelers can not be the sine qua non of "link spam". If you look at all the external links listed in the Umbria section of Wikipedia, a number of them are active promoters of travel to the Region. Even in the Sardegna section where you posted identical comments to the comments you made here there is a link to a site called ActivSardegna which promotes travel. Should all of these be removed? And if so, by whom and under what (hopefully) reasonably well-defined policy?
You can coin or use phrases like "link spam", and "cyber vandalism", or other terms of denigration, but I think you, and others who "worry" about Wikipedia, should be careful not to sit on Wikipedia with a holier than thou attitude, deleting other people's contributions, unless a more thorough investigation is done into the content, and sometimes into the motives and objectives of their creators. Many people spend a lot of time, money and energy trying to do good without much reward beyond the satisfactions it provides. This effort to "do good" is manifest on your site Bill, at least, so far as I can see, and I commend you for it.
I'm a bit more than a little chagrined about what you have done Bill, and about how you have characterized ItalianVisits, but I hope we can discuss this if you think I am making an untenable argument in favour of allowing us to post links to the IV website, without fear of having them removed by the over-zealous.
Regards Vian Andrews Vancouver, BC July 28, 2005
- I guess no response to this, which is interesting.LeValley 06:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Republic of Lombardy
Italian GDP contribution?
The opening paragraph says Lombardy is responsible for a quarter of Italy's GDP, but the Economy section states it is one fifth. tildetildetildetilde —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- How come that Lombardy GDP per capita is lower than Italy GDP per capita, although Lombardy is the richest region in Italy? Italy GDP per capita should be a weighted average of the GDP per capita of all the 20 regions, therefore how could such average be higher than its biggest contributor? --Abacos (talk) 19:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Use of the word "invasion"
In order for the Celts to "invade" anywhere, there had to be pre-existing peoples in those lands. Could the article please specify who, exactly, were invaded by the Celts? Is this article claiming with certainty that the Hallstadt Culture was not Celtic? I am surprised that this huge question has been settled and would like to see a citation. What archaelogical evidence is there of earlier peoples in, say, Tuscany or Rome? There are grinding stones (recently found in Tuscany) of great antiquity, but the proto-Celts have the same technology at about the same time. If the Celts are the first people who come to Italy in any great numbers, how can there be an invasion? Who made it clear that the Etruscans are not from proto-Celtic/Gallic stock? If they are not near cousins of the "invaders", who are they? Some believe the Etruscans were Hellenic, but seriously, does anyone have a citation that settles the matter? Seems there are an equal number of scholars who think the Etruscans are related to northerners (what the article is apparently calling Gallic-Celtic tribes).--LeValley 06:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
???? the article is simply lacking - it simply needs to be expanded. Celts didn't invade "Lombardy" as it was yet a celtic speaking country with a celtic and proto-celtic culture dating from the 15th century BCE, the invaders were more correctly [Gauls]] aka the most representative group of the La Tène culture celts. different peoples (ligurians and celtic-ligurains predominantly) had inhabited the region and before the gallic invasion etruscans were the politically/economically dominat group in "Lombardy" but demographically they were inexistent. see at Etrurian padania Cunibertus (talk) 15:34, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
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