Talk:London bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics

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Vandalism[edit]

Please do not vandalize this article; however strongly you may feel about something, vandalism is immature.

Cost?[edit]

Anyone know what the total cost of the Games will be? Kinda need that for NPOV reasons. Also some info on opposition is needed, too. Dan100 (Talk) July 6, 2005 12:28 (UTC)

There's a breakdown of costs investing/economics/londons-olympic-bid.html here. OpenToppedBus - My Talk July 6, 2005 12:38 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

This article is a PR peice for the London Olympics it is not even a fair and balanced news paper article. The Critique is minimal. The section entitled legacy of the games is the most outrageous. COmpare it with Munich Olympics one of the most noteworthy in recent years, but for all the wrong reasons.--217.44.39.65 10:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. It details all the plans as set out in the bid, and section about the legacy of the Games (a phrase used by the IOC) is very appropriate - it was a major aspect of what won the bid for them. violet/riga (t) 11:14, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You may disagree but you seem to have written some of the article. Did you write that but. The bit "Following three failed consecutive UK bids (Birmingham in 1992 and Manchester in 1996 and 2000), the decision was made to bid with London, given the clear indication that it was the only city in the UK that had a chance of being selected by the International Olympic Committee" When was this decision taken and who by. You also imply that neither Manchester of Birmingham is a World City. Why is that. What is the definintion of a world city? The entire article is PR for London.--217.44.39.65 12:35, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I didn't write that exact bit but stand by it fully. The previous bids were rejected by the IOC on the basis that their locations were inadequate (that was not the only reason, I hasten to add). This indicated that London was the only city that had a real opportunity. I could do with a reference, but just saying it does not violate NPOV. violet/riga (t) 12:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
It indicates nothing of the sort. The bids were sabotaged by attacks from London and in the media. Plenty of other non capital cities have held the games. Some smaller than Birmingham and Manchester. Why is Brum no a world city, who indicated that and when or is it just the assumption of Londoners that they are the only city of significance in the UK?--217.44.39.65 12:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
It does not imply that they are not world cities, and I think you are starting to show your own POV here. Yes, there may be a case for some sabotage, but only on a small scale and certainly not by the BOA. violet/riga (t) 13:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
For the record, I am not a Londoner nor would I ever wish to be. violet/riga (t) 13:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
The lack of support from central government, is one major factors, which sabotaged other bids. Sabotage by ommision. 'given the clear indication that it was the only city in the UK that had a chance of being selected'. What was this clear indication?. I don't live with in 100 klicks of any of the cities, though I do remember one paper saying about the Manchester bid "at least it isn't Liverpool". There is no indication that having the olympics will increase fitness. The Olympics is the ultimate in elitism, most of us will never be elite, and will not be allowed to use some of the facilities built with public money to train people, the best example of this was the training facilities provided to the Coxless 4's. If having the games would improve fitness in the gerneral public and increase participation in sport, that Wimbledon would assure Britain of a significant place in the Tennis world.--217.44.39.65 13:33, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
And it's fine for you to think all that, but this is about the bid that was presented by the BOA to the IOC, not an examination of how a world sporting event improves (or otherwise) the fitness of the host nation. By all means write an article about that (I have no doubts that it could make an interesting read). violet/riga (t) 13:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Why only London?[edit]

"Following three failed consecutive UK bids (Birmingham in 1992 and Manchester in 1996 and 2000), the decision was made to bid with London, given the clear indication that it was the only city in the UK that had a chance of being selected by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) when put up against other world cities in a competitive bidding process."

I must admit I don't quite see the logic of this. Can anyone provide any background information on what this "clear indication" was? What is the IOC's official position on which cities are "allowed" to bid?

London is obviously the capital city, but that cannot be the only factor, as other non-capitals have been selected in the past (Barcelona etc.)

Surely the logical approach would have been to give a different UK city a crack of the whip, given that London has hosted it twice already? This has been the case with other countries that have hosted the Olympics more than once: e.g. Australia (Sydney and Melbourne); Germany (Berlin and Munich). If there was resistance to giving it to another English city, what about Glasgow or Belfast? 217.155.20.163 00:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

GA review[edit]

Well written, well sourced, informative, no glaring errors, good job! I grant this article GA status. -- Scorpion 17:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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A new logo has apparently been chosen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A23431826

I vote we leave the old one up ;-) 129.67.62.105 19:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes. And actually, the new one shouldn't even go up anyway because this is the page from the bid, and thus any new information (such as the logo) should not be added to this page but the 2012 Summer Olympics page. Jaredt  19:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Correct, the bid logo stays (gladly for many people! :D) Parutakupiu talk || contribs 19:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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fixed. Paulbrock (talk) 14:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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No mention of the logo?[edit]

I think there should be some mention of the original logo, the reactions, and the new logo. --AW (talk) 13:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Logo wasn't unveiled until after the bid. (See 2012 Summer Olympics)Not sure what you mean by original and new logos though! Paulbrock (talk) 13:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah ok. Well there was the jagged one that got all the negative reaction, and I read somewhere that they released a more traditional one lately. Maybe not though, it's not on their website. --AW (talk) 15:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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I have reverted the previous image and used the original one....(see Image:London 2012 Olympic Games bid logo.jpg).... Seth Whales (talk) 09:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)