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"controversy"[edit]

An anon using two IPs has twice put in a POV paragraph saying that Lonely Planet reflects a colonial output. I've reverted it both times, since it lacks sources or any reason for being written, actually. A similar complaint can be made about most travel literature - which might be legitimate thing to have in wikipedia, but not just dumped here. - DavidWBrooks 21:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lonelyplanetlogo.png[edit]

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Would anyone like to upload a new logo that has a fair use rationale?Misterx2000 (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

history of dominating Indonesia??[edit]

Why does the history section busy itself with a paragraph on LP's presence in Indonesia?

To me that reads as totally irrelevant. I propose to move that to the LP Indonesia page (if it exists) and remove it from the general history of Lonely Planet.85.227.226.174 17:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

other languages[edit]

Today lonely planets are avaliable in several languages. On the LP homepage you find links to german, french, spanish, italian, chinese and japanese sites. Perhaps there are also other languages offered. In german for example only 38 books are avaliable so far. I believe a small section about other languages would be appropriate. -- 89.61.119.54 14:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

fabrication claim[edit]

Lonely Planet author Thomas Kohnstamm claimed that he fabricated information in the book, that he never went to one of the countries, Columbia.[1] Is this notable? Shawnc (talk) 06:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It's very notable, he's the author/co-author of a dozen LP books. This is still very new, but it should probably have a heading of its own in the article. Probably the biggest scandal ever to hit LP. JdeJ (talk) 07:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
If you read the LP japan for example, and travel there you get the impression that the writer(s) have gone to a different country... --Godal (talk) 11:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Agreed! Having lived and traveled extensively in China for a year, I (and every other person in our group) can tell you that those guides were shite. The "map" of the city we lived in was a measly 4k bloc that didn't even include all of one of its 6 districts. 67.188.79.209 (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It's highly relevant and raises issues of ethics in travel writing. I find LP is not very welcoming when I have written with specific details about my trips and how improvements could be made to the LP books I have used. Why don't the authors updating the books contact feedback givers like me ? One wonders where they are getting their info.?

I offered to be a writer and noone specifically got back to me.

I think the authors need to be better supported , especially financially. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.76.208.223 (talk) 13:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

"chinglish"[edit]

Has anyone read the history secotion? It reads like an insimpit version of Shanghai history by the PRC. It really needs to modified ASAP.... very suprised it hasn't been edited in ages. - [[User:Aruhnka|aruhnka]01:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the History section, which now flows better.Misterx2000 (talk) 07:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Overall cleanup[edit]

I cleaned up this article as best as i could, incorporating most of the comments above. the introuction was completely outdated, and the history section was a mess. i used a radio interview with Tony Wheeler (the founder) for some of teh facts. Mtl1969 (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The entire article requires further revision and updating in May 2014. I think that I have completed the first half of the article as part of this process, and I will move onto the second half over the next week.--Soulparadox (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Bias[edit]

Perhaps a paragraph about alledged bias of their guides should be added to the controversy section. For example, http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=78&x_article=200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.80.186 (talk) 19:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Guidebooks, almost by definition, are a collection of opinions: they include this city but not that one, this hotel but not that one, praise this sight but criticize that one, mention this bit of history but not that one. Almost every sentence in any guidebook could be labeled as "bias" (a loaded word which implies that your opinion is true while theirs is deliberately wrong) by somebody who prefers a different slant. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Obviously that's the case with traveller's concerns, namely restaurants, hotels and attractions, but when a guide book is taking a politicised view of the country's history, then there is a controvesy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.49.145 (talkcontribs) 15:35, 19 November 2008
The article you're referring to is 8 years old and is from an organization that is criticised for providing a very biased view on things itself. So i don;t think this provides any reason to add this kind of criticism. Mtl1969 (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

yes but the bias of this organisation against criticism of Israel does not mean that it is inherently anti-guidebook or anti-lonely planet, therefore your point that the article is useless doesn't stand. There are of course other sources:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.49.145 (talkcontribs) 15:35, 19 November 2008

As a regular commenter on Conservative Home, it should not be presented as an unbiased website or authoritative statement on LP assiduousness. CAMERA makes some good quotations from the LP Israel book, which I hope have been tidied up in a more recent edition, but cannot be trusted as a source because of the agenda behind it. It is a presentation of evidence in a way as to put across a POV, and as such does not belong on Wiki except as a reference or footnote. Having it as a resource is good, but the arguments it presents are just as biased as a Palestinian source complaining about Fodor's.

I agree with the original assertion - that guidebooks should refrain from obnoxious political viewpoints in either direction. I tend to use Rough Guide myself but at the moment am using Lonely Planet guide to the Baltic States because Rough Guide doesn't appear print one covering that region. People who let their politics get the better of them end up like Thomas Kohnstamm.

Incidentally, did Lonely Planet ever rescind its boycott of Norway because of the minke whale hunt? Shouldn't that be referenced here? Lstanley1979 (talk) 21:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

->I'm not suggesting that we present these opinions as facts in the article, however i do think that it's important to note that some people and oragnisations hold these opinons, and that it is an appropriate subject to write about under the controversy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.102.208 (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

92.19.102.208, stop pushing this- there is obviously no support for your view. as i said before- the article you refer to is 9 years old. hardly a reliable source. you need to find some broader evidence than just this one CAMERA article and some anonymous posts on a blog. also, pls get a proper login handle if you start posting on my talk page. Mtl1969 (talk) 22:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

-> 2 people disagree so there is no support? You seem to be missing the point. As i have said, i'm not suggesting that we present the opinion that lonely planet has political bias as fact, merely that the allegation has been made (which is clearly the case). The posted sources are not unreliable when trying to find attitudes towards bias in certain lonely planet publications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.209.190 (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

controversies[edit]

apart from teh fact that Wikipedia discourages 'controversies' sections, the paragraph about 'Turkey for Christmas' can hardly be called worthy of an encyclopedia. it concerns one photo, in a single LP publication (a magazine) which is only published in one country (the UK). Apart from that, the 'controversial' article in question talks about how some greek islands are really close to the Turkish coast so an image of a greek island in an article about Turkey should not be controversial. I will leave this a few days and unless anybody objects i will remove it Mtl1969 (talk) 10:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you; kill it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
done Mtl1969 (talk) 13:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Paradise Updated[edit]

Unsure is this represents a controversy. The book has just been released and press has been limited. The addition of the quote from Max Barry has been added elsewhere and it represents a blurb from the book's cover - clearly marketing material framed as potential controversy so I've deleted it here. GeorgieFamingo (talk) 13:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Kohnstamm controversy[edit]

His book was about Brazil, not Colombia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.252.84 (talk) 07:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Largest in the world?[edit]

I think that the claim about being the largest in the world needs a citation. I think it also could do with clarification: in what sense the largest? (annual turnover? number of publications? or one/many of many other possibilities). FrankSier (talk) 11:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

This is a fair point and I will conduct research on this matter as part of my revision of the entire article.--Soulparadox (talk) 08:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Tony and Maureen Wheeler[edit]

Maureen Wheeler states "Wheeler was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland and moved to London at the age 20, where she met her future husband, Tony Wheeler on a park bench in London on 7 October 1970." whereas this article says "He [Tony] met his wife Maureen Wheeler in Sydney in 1973, following a lengthy trip from Turkey, through Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, to India and Nepal." Which is correct? -- Chuq (talk) 21:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It appears that this matter has been addressed, through the simplification of the text, and I am now revising the entire article, as it was outdated and sub-standard. I will move onto the Wheelers's pages in due course.--Soulparadox (talk) 08:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)