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Contents 1 SOURCES 2 Iraq 3 Burning and pillaging 4 In 1664 the Maratha leader Shivaji sacked and looted Surat. 5 Merger of Looting and Looted art 6 Yamashita's Gold 7 Sack of Rome 8 Removing video 9 Looting a rascist term??? NO!!!

[edit] SOURCES

This article is missing many sources. For example, New Orleans post-Katrina statement about looting, including looting by police, is totally unsources. Iraq and other sections also unsourced.Jo7hs2 (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iraq

Why is there no source for this statement: "However, upon investigation many of the looting claims (in Iraq) were in fact exaggerated." Iraqi installments are being looted to this day.

Several sources about the looting in Iraq are cited in looted art - i propose a merger of both articles.Okinawasan 20:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burning and pillaging

Please help improve this article by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page. (January 2007)

Pillaging now redirects here. I was wondering if there should be information here about "burning and pillaging" (which does not yet redirect here), including details about the practices of the Vikings and other groups throughout history. -- Beland 08:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In 1664 the Maratha leader Shivaji sacked and looted Surat.

In 1664 the Maratha leader Shivaji sacked and looted Surat. When Shivaji arrived at Surat he demanded tribute from the Mughal commander and the small army stationed with him for port security. The tribute was refused and so after Shivaji took the city, he put it to sack. Surat was under sack for nearly 3 weeks, in which the army looted all possible wealth from Mughal & Portuguese trading centers. All this loot was successfully transported to Maharashtra before the Mughal Empire at Delhi was alerted. This wealth later was used for development & strengthening the Maratha Empire.

The only exception to the looting was the British factory, a fortified warehouse-counting house-hostel, which was successfully defended by Sir George Oxenden. But the prosperity of the factory at Surat received a fatal blow when Bombay was ceded to the British as part of the dowry for Catherine of Braganza's wedding to Charles II in 1662. Shortly afterwards in 1668 another factory was established in Bombay(Mumbai) by the British East India Company. From that date Surat began to decline with the rise of British interests in Bombay, and the city was sacked again by Shivaji in 1670. By 1689 the seat of presidency was moved to Bombay by the British East India Company. The Surat population had reached an estimated 800,000 in its heyday, but by the middle of the 19th century the number had fallen to 80,000. Surat was again taken by the British in 1759, and the conquerors assumed the undivided government of the city in 1800. Since the introduction of British rule, the city and the surrounding district remained comparatively tranquil; and even during the Revolt of 1857(also known as the first struggle for India's independence) peace was not disturbed, owing in great measure to the loyalty of the leading Muslim families to the British and to the largely mercantile interests of the local population.

vkvora 02:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of Looting and Looted art

I edited the looted art article and added many references before i came across this article. I propose a rewriting/merger of both articles as they both cover the same area. While looting provides a better introduction, the looted art article has gathered many examples, references, and sources that might be useful. Any comments?Okinawasan 20:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I think they are best kept seperate. Looting means the taking of money and valuables of all sorts - to most people the first thing they think of is TV sets etc after American riots, or after the occupations of Iraq, Kuwait etc. Looted art is far more specific. Of course they could be interlinked more, but i don't see how the looted art article could keep its focus after a merge. Johnbod 22:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Oppose merge -- Looted art is a specific subcategory and better treated in a focussed separate article -- a merged article would be far too long anyway. Need a clearer link out of Looting to show there is a major sub-article at Looted art. Also, both articles need a lot of cleanup!!! --mervyn 07:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe the topics are quite distinct. Looting has a much broader compass. Ergo, I remove the merge tag. --Ghirla^-трёп- 17:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yamashita's Gold

Yamashita's Gold is an urban legend in the Philippines. It is in regards to searching for looted items, and not necessary about the looting that took place. This reference may not be appropriate for this article. Jim (talk) 16:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sack of Rome

How absurd is the request for a cite to a source for the sack of rome or constantinople? Are you gonna ask for sworn and signed affidavit from Geiseric? Next I expect to see someone demanding a citation for the assertion that Rome is in Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naerhu (talk • contribs) 14:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing video

I have removed a video inserted into this page. The video was released by As-Sahab Foundation for Islamic Media Publication, the media production house for Al-Qaeda. We do not know where it was filmed, although it is presumed to have been in Afghanistan. We don't know where or whether it was edited, by whom, or in which country. What we do know is that the human remains being looted are of a clearly identifiable person.

There are all kinds of images of looting scenes that would be available that do not involve identifiable individuals, and whose copyright and licensing status is clear. They may not be from the past few years, but they will probably provide a much better depiction of looting than the stripping of valuables from a single body. Risker (talk) 01:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: I have located an appropriate image on Wikimedia Commons which elegantly matches the text of the article, and have now added it to the page. Risker (talk) 02:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I reverted this edit because I do not agree that the 1906 image is superior to the video. One cannot tell from the 1906 image that it really depicts looting -- as opposed, for instance, the clearing of traffic hazards from a roadway. Geo Swan (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Looting a rascist term??? NO!!!

Someone added the follwong to the header of the article: "The term looting has been depicted in some quarters as an intrinsically racist term as it seems to have been applied more frequently to the behavior of African Americans than to that of white people." with the following source: http://www.aamovement.net/news/2005/katrinacoverage.html While I do indeed concur that the article describes a rescist application of terms, I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the claim that this validates the usage of the term 'looting' as intrinsically rascist. While the medium did use the word looting in a rascist context, this does not mean that looting is intrinsically rascist. Looting has a connotation that is by most accounts negative. This negative connotation was used in the describtion of the activities of a black youngster, who was doing the same thing as white people, while what these white people where doing was described with a word with a positive or at least neutral connotation: 'finding'. In this particluar article, the context of the usage of the word looting is rascist, not the word itself.Mkruijff (talk) 18:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It is concerned with context, that is true, so as a provisional compromsie I have moved that paragraph to the end in a small new section of its own, hoping that is now a satisfactory outcome. Peter morrell 18:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)