Talk:Lou Reed

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According to User:Jimbo, the subject of this article, Lou Reed, has edited the article - correcting his birth name only to have his correction reverted.[1]

Personal life[edit]

A personal life section is needed for this article. Caden cool 08:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Seconded, I came to this page hoping to read more about his personal life, I already know about his career I was more interested in him as a person.Gymnophoria (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Early career[edit]

Could be expanded.[2] Will try and get round to it, but I'm busy elsewhere on Wikipedia at the moment. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 14:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Death reported[edit]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lou-reed-velvet-underground-leader-and-rock-pioneer-dead-at-71-20131027 Theroadislong (talk) 17:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Lock this page[edit]

Much as I wish 'No No Never' was the answer here, Mr Reed has sadly passed away...Martyn Smith (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Really? Looks like it is a hoax: http://en.mediamass.net/people/lou-reed/deathhoax.html Awernham (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Nope that site seems to have made the story of it being a hoax up - Google "“He joins the long list of celebrities who have been victimized by this hoax. He's still alive and well, stop believing what you see on the Internet,” to see numerous other stories of celeb deaths with EXACTLY the same quote from agents. --C Hawke (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The news was confirmed on Sunday evening by his UK music agent. "Yes I'm afraid it's true," Andy Woolliscroft told the Guardian. "I'm very upset." http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/27/lou-reed-velvet-underground-dies --Dethorin (talk) 18:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Dion and final quote[edit]

I've known this even before his death, but after reading the article realized I didn't see it mentioned. Reed assisted and appeared on Dion's 1989 album, Yo Frankie, as well as inducting Dion into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that same year. See: [3] and [4]. Thanks! 74.62.92.20 (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I see the collaboration with Dion mentioned under the discography. Not the benefit concert or induction though in the 80s/1989 section.

Also, the last quote/sentence in the Death section is missing a " at the end. A minor fix, but thought i'd mention it. ("generous, encouraging and thoughtful. Working with him sometimes could be trying to some people, but never to me. I guess we learned from each other. We all learned from each other.) Thank you! 74.62.92.20 (talk) 03:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Tributes[edit]

Can we be judicious about which tributes we include here? The ones we have so far are fine but everybody and their dog will be eulogising Reed in the next few days and not all of them will be notable. --John (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

It would be good to mention John Cale's tribute on his official Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJohnCale --Marek Koudelka (talk) 20:20, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Not unless it is published in a proper source. --John (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
That's very interesting! Thanks. --John (talk) 20:48, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
John Cale's reaction source --Marek Koudelka (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Genres[edit]

There should be nothing here which is not mentioned and referenced in the body of the article. --John (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Lulu on the bridge[edit]

If we can't edit, someone should include "Lulu on the Bridge" (1998) in his filmography, as "the man with the whore". thanx109.13.221.244 (talk) 21:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Going with the character name "Not Lou Reed", as sources suggest. Thanks. — MusikAnimal talk 21:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Lou Reed died on Long Island, New York[edit]

Lou Reed died on Long Island, New York, today.
Events happen ON islands and not in them. It is amazing how writers cannot get the simple use of prepositions correct.
Napoleon Bonaparte was exiled ON Elba and ON St. Helena, and not in them. In 1940, the Luftwaffe made attacks ON Great Britain and not in it. On December 7, 1941, the Imperial Japanese Navy made an attack ON Oahu and not in it. People are born ON Prince Edward Island and ON Newfoundland Island and not in them. Mt. Etna is erupting ON Sicily and not in it.98.67.108.42 (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

- It's also the full name of the location. Things happen on an island, but if the island is called "Rhode Island," you can be in "Rhode Island." No need to be pedantic. No one on earth says "I was born on Prince Edward Island." Ludicrous. (edit: Additionally, making attacks "on" a country is an entire different manner. You can also say someone made an attack on "The United States," not because it's an island, but that's just how it's done. If you consider Great Britain an island, is there a way to determine when a particular land mass seizes to be an island? Perhaps a particular surface area?) --68.147.225.213 (talk) 22:10, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Um, can you show us where the problem is in the article? And by the way, Great Britain isn't "an island" is only one single island "geographically" (allegedly), meaning that all the other little component island exist only "politically", which is quite sad, really. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Actually it is. --John (talk) 22:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
so is that just one rock or a whole collection?? (..... get's a bit lonely out here...) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Bowie reaction[edit]

To: John (talk) and anyone else interested in editing this section. (John, I posted on your page as well - just wanted to post it here too for anyone else interested and in the hope that you would see this).

The "death" section mentions reactions from Elijah Wood, Samuel L. Jackson, Ryan Adams...But not from David Bowie who was Reed's personal friend, sung with him on multiple occasions, and produced his second album "Transformer" jointly with Mick Ronson in 1972, who was the guitarist in Bowie's band, The Spiders from Mars. I added a link to Bowie's reaction, sourced to Bowie's website, but was rebuked on the grounds that a secondary source was needed, so I would like to know what secondary source would be needed to confirm the edit. Thanks! -- TheGreatTweedsmuir (talk)

Friends past... - http://rockimages.centerblog.net/10674-lou-reed-david-bowie - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq1aa43I0A1r1vo8so1_500.jpg And present... - http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/bowiereedgallery.jpg - http://www.davidbowie.com/news/rip-lou-reed-52171 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGreatTweedsmuir (talkcontribs) 23:17, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, I think it's rather inappropriate to mention Miley Cyrus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.202.171.200 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Rightly of wrongly, you can hold USA Today responsible for Miley Cyrus: [5]. We are just echoing what they report. I suspect that in a few days we will be able to sort the more considered and relevant reactions from the Twitter-drek, and will manage without her. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

maybe you shouldn't echo USA today then? One more request to dump miley from that list. - IIIIIIIII (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you could add Rufus Wainwright. He was a personal friend. He talked about Reed on [[Newsnight] ][6] and posted something on his website [7].--Sylvia Anna (talk) 22:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Front page?[edit]

Why isn't his death mentioned in the news on the front page? Surely, it is of as much importance as that fellow who won the Grand Prix? ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 00:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:In the news#Special cases. Personally, I'd suggest that Reed "was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field", and accordingly his death merits a front page slot. I'm not familiar with all the ins-and-outs of the Main Page though - perhaps someone who is could start the process? AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I see that Reed has now been added to the 'recent deaths' section of 'In the news' at least. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The question of whether he should have a "full blurb" is still under discussion here, so you could add your voice. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 October 2013[edit]

Page: Lou Reed A citation for the assertion that Reed grew up in Freeport, NY would be in [1]. I was on the staff of the yearbook, and recently sold those two editions to a fan of Reed's for $700 each. The yearbook is probably archived in the Freeport Public Library, or in the school system there. Andylyke (talk) 11:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneReatlas (talk) 12:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Introduction[edit]

Intro needs work and expansion. The only post-VU album mention is his most notoriously terrible album and a quote about it. That doesn't make sense.Cosprings (talk) 16:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 October 2013[edit]

The part about his death is wrong, the evidence can be found here: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/264466_10152055138388455_63079482_n.jpg You're welcome... PiperTheGreat (talk) 20:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Which part exactly? And in which way is that link evidence of anything at all? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Not done:. You're right, Martin, it isn't. It's just a forum. The section is in any case too large and should probably be reduced to just the first three sentences on the basis of WP:NOTMEMORIAL. --Stfg (talk) 21:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
phew, that's a relief! I thought it was just a hurried photoshopped copy of a forum... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
actually, I think you're right. (Why are we whispering?) --Stfg (talk) 23:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
(Heavenly wine and roses, seem to whisper to me when you smile) Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Liver transplant[edit]

There is some difference of opinion on when Reed had his liver transplant. For instance, the NY Times says "April." Rolling Stone says "May." Both and others are given as the sources in the story. Only one, presently undetermined as to which, can be right.

Unless and until this is resolved neither should be in the article, in my opinion. I changed it to "Spring" which covers the both months, but some other editor was unhappy with that, though they retained the contradictory sources. I'm putting "spring" back in, which is a legitimate characterization no matter which month is correct, and hope that others can resist guessing in the absence of documented fact.

The mortality rate for liver transplants is fairly high. One assumes that Reed was compliant with anti-rejection drugs if he continued to do Tai Chi and was in close communication with his hepatologist. So we don't know precisely why he died. Countless others, including David Crosby, have been saved by that intervention.

It's really a shame that he died of the condition so many years after getting sober, as I assume the underlying condition was probably Hepatitis C, endemic among IV drug users. That virus frequently produces cirrhosis and often hepatic cancer, the latter of which is almost always fatal. If HCV caught early enough in an otherwise healthy and sober victim, before substantial damage is done, it can usually be cured through treatment with anti-viral drugs and interferon.

Lastly, in order to be considered as a transplant recipient, certain criteria are applied. Advanced age, a compromised immune system, continued substance abuse, likelihood of non-compliance, etc., are negative factors. I'm actually surprised that Reed got a transplant, as I would assume that he would not have been rated as a legitimate candidate due to his age. I wonder if the criteria might not be rigorously followed, because some victims of liver failure such as Mickey Mantle, never did stop abusing their new liver. Fame or money should not be a prime qualification for becoming a recipient, as there are far more victims needing livers (and other organs) than there are available livers. Activist (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

We can't say "spring" as it breaches WP:SEASON. I say go with the BBC source which says "April". If the Rolling Stone is the only source which says "May", perhaps it is wrong? If there is real uncertainty about the month we would have to say "early 2013" or just "2013". --John (talk) 06:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
This source, which states "May", is probably the best one we have for the date of the transplant procedure, though of course it's likely if not certain that he was hospitalized for treatment beforehand, in April. We should stick to May if we are referring to the operation specifically, rather than the treatment more generally. "Spring" is inappropriate, as John says. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I just found and posted a Cleveland Plain Dealer June 11th account that seems rather definitive as to when the procedure took place, that it was in fact in early May. ABC News misreported this as "April" as recently as yesterday, perhaps following the otherwise excellent NY Times obit. The confusion may have been brewed because his hospitalization likely began in April. Activist (talk) 16:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
I did reach the NY Times reporter. Much of the obit material there had been developed by the Obit writers. He thought that someone from that department had contacted the surgeon who did the transplant, but was going to check back. Activist (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Re medical criteria/candidacy for transplant: doesn't healthcare in the US work in a slightly different way? Was this procedure privately funded? Or is this irrelevant? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Different than WHAT? Each country is probably different. I can't imagine that there aren't some places where a recipient can't buy a kidney from some poor soul. In the U.S., there are criteria for candidacy, waiting lists, etc. A kidney donor might be found from a relative or other person with a suitable match, outside of the lists. Reed was old enough to receive Medicare, assuming he had enough Social Security "quarters," for public funding for about 80% of approved medical costs. Activist (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Please forgive my ill-fitting blinkers. And thanks for the info. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 October 2013[edit]

The Arctic Monkeys played Walk on the Wild Side in honour of Lou Reed at Echo Arena, Liverpool, a day after the musician's death. Seblaise (talk) 20:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/arctic-monkeys-cover-lou-reeds-walk-on-the-wild-side-20131029

Not done: Not notable. Please see WP:NOTMEMORIAL. --Stfg (talk) 20:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 November 2013[edit]

Lou Reed died at his home in East Hampton, not Southampton. 209.140.35.75 (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done for now: There seems to be conflicting evidence. The statement in the article has five citations (!) and they go as follows:
  • FN58 (N.Y. Times): Amagansett, which I believe is East Hampton;
  • FN59 (Rolling Stone): Just says Long Island;
  • FN60 (Guardian): Southampton;
  • FN61 (BBC): place not stated;
  • FN62 (cleveland.com): place not stated.
We seem to need better sources for this. Have you anything please? --Stfg (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Redundant references[edit]

I removed the references to psychedelia as no reasonable arguments are given to support this claim. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2014[edit]

In the text under the photo, the word sixties should not be capitalized. Pama73 (talk) 07:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done by some-one else early this morning - Arjayay (talk) 15:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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