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Louis Armstrong's Nickname[edit]

Louis's nickname was dipper because of one of his jobs. And his jobs were getting coal and putting them in a dumpster behind a pancake house and getting banana bunches.

And that was someones report on Louis Armstrong A.K.A Dipper —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.53.125.173 (talk) 02:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much wrong on everything there. It seems "Dippermouth" (shortened to "Dipper") and "Satchelmouth" (shortened to "Satch'mo'") and similar nicknames were simply references to Louie "G The OG" Armstrong's having a large mouth. Nicknames were fairly common in the time and place where Amstrong grew up (and seem to still be more common in New Orleans than in some other places). New Orleans was the main port recieving bananas (not "bana"), unloading them from boats from Latin America to be shipped mostly by train to other parts of the USA, not loading them on to boats. Unlike other musicians such as George Lewis, Armstrong was not a stevador. He did drive a coal wagon.

Infrogmation (talk) 13:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

chart position[edit]

Upon its re-release following the movie "Good Morning Vietnam", "What a Wonderful World" reached #32 in February 1988, according to satchmo.com. I could not verify this on billboard.com because it is a pay site, but tsort.info also verified this. Kennyholl (talk) 15:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)kennyhollKennyholl (talk) 15:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Discography[edit]

This article is dying for some improvement in the discography department. WesUGAdawg (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Needs improvement[edit]

I have added {{refimprove}} and {{tone}} tags to this article because I found the amount of fancruft here quite staggering. The articles of legends such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and Rosa Parks don't contain nearly as much sheer adoration. Several sections contain just a few sentences of empty, generic praise of Armstrong with no citations whatsoever, notably the "Children" and "Charities" sections. Even the lead section is bogged down in peacock-ish adjectives. This memorialising reads more like what would would find in an obituary, not an encyclopaedia. Please, let's make an article that is actually worthy of such a musical great, not some cheesy collection of praise. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Fair point. From a quick rescan of James Lincoln Collier's biography, I don't see anything on these specific topics. Nor are they really relevant to his importance. So I'm going to be bold and delete these paragraphs/sections; if anyone later finds sourced text indicating their relevance to Armstrong, they can add them back in. AllyD (talk) 10:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


Dippermouth and Scat[edit]

Regarding the nickname, the only alleged origin I've heard of regards Joe Oliver's onstage habit of drinking sugar water from a bucket and ladel. Perhaps, being Oliver's protege, Armstrong inherited the name.

Under Legacy, it states "Though Armstrong is widely recognized as a pioneer of scat singing, Ethel Waters precedes his scatting on record in the 1930s according to Gary Giddins and others."

This is out of line with the Heebie Jeebies page:""Heebie Jeebies" is a composition written by Boyd Atkins and achieved fame when it was recorded by Louis Armstrong in 1926. The recording on Okeh Records by Louis Armstrong and his Hot Five includes a famous chorus in which Louis does scat singing." LinoPop (talk) 14:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Hot Five/Hot Seven Sessions[edit]

A list of songs would be helpful for the hot five/hot seven sessions. Bts.smith (talk) 17:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I started it, but it will take a couple of days for me to finish it. Bts.smith (talk) 05:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from Cyberwilliams, 28 June 2011[edit]

In the section on Armstrong's personal habits, an essential and infamous part of his regime is not listed: the daily use of marijuana. Louis was an avid proponent of marijuana for himself and for his band. Multiple songs allude to /celebrate the use of marijuana. His avidity for marijuana is easy to document. Here's a place to start: http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/08/03/reviews/970803.03teachot.html

Cyberwilliams (talk) 00:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, actually it is mentioned. Dlabtot (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Already done This is already in the article including the fact that his songs reference it. Jnorton7558 (talk) 08:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Discography again...[edit]

I can't believe there isn't a discography for such a seminal artist. I'll put together a rudimentary one. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 18:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 March 2012[edit]

Watch toby byron's "SATCHMO" video. Buy it in stores today


Jboy970 (talk) 02:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 03:13, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Article should include details of Mr Armstrong's four marriages.[edit]

Alpha Smith (11 October 1938 - 1942) (divorced) Lil Armstrong (4 February 1924 - 1938) (divorced) Daisy Parker (19 March 1918 - 18 December 1923) (divorced) Lucille Wilson (12 October 1942 - 6 July 1971) (his death) Source(s):imdb.com [1]

87.114.189.91 (talk) 11:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)moreteavicar

...And What of Marty Glazer, Anyway ?[edit]

This article is a sham. Marty Glazer was a gangter who forced Mr. armstrong to make a deal for the latter's protection from the Mafia. glazer demaned HALF of Louis' earnings, and under segregation had control of the direction of his career, and money. As there is no Wiki page on Mr. Glazer, it's safe to surmise that a significant chapter of Louis' life has been deep-sixed! --68.199.137.125 (talk) 23:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)Veryverser

Armstrong's long time manager was Joe Glaser. Armstrong's own writing reveal how attached Armstrong was to Glaser, who he considered to have made him rich and whatever mob connections Glaser had kept Armstrong safe from other mobsters in the entertainment industry. Do read Armstrong's autobios if you haven't yet. (Some interesting stories about mobsters bossing him around and pulling guns on him before he hooked up with Glaser!) (I presume Joe Glaser is who you were referring to; of course if you'd read this article you would have found he is already mentioned in the article. If Joe Glaser isn't who you were thinking of, tell us who "Marty Glazer" was.) -- Infrogmation (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Note - The IP user is an indefinitely blocked user, who seems to enjoy trolling talk pages like this one with ridiculous questions. Do not take them seriously: they don't. Doc talk 08:09, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced[edit]

It says " While he rarely publicly politicized his race, often to the dismay of fellow African-Americans, he was privately a strong supporter of the Civil Rights movement in America." and has no refs so needs to be removed.--Deathlaser :  Chat  11:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Discography[edit]

Still no discography! Here's a good place for someone to start- http://michaelminn.net/armstrong/index.php?albums Bts.smith (talk) 04:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

What a Wonderful World = 1967[edit]

What a Wonderful World was first released in 1967, not 1968.

(http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/singles-chart-search Artist: Louis Armstrong, Date: All Weeks, Submit)

It needs to be changed in the Awards and Honors>Grammy Hall of Fame section. Also, in the Music>Hits and Later Career section, I would delete the part that says it didn't chart at all in America, as it charted on the Adult Contemporary chart (see above link) and the Bubbling Under chart (according to the song's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_a_Wonderful_World). I'd leave the date there as 1968, as that's when it became a big hit.

94.171.186.40 (talk) 15:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2012[edit]

My request relates to the subsection "Writings" in the Louis Armstrong article. Armstrong was a prolific writer who published two autobiographies during his lifetime (the somewhat ghostwritten Swing That Music in 1936 and the completely self-written but edited Satchmo: My Life in New Orleans in 1954). He also wrote many essays for managzines such as Ebony and Esquire as well as thousands of letters to family, friends, reporters, and fans. A bunch of his previously unpublished writings appeared in a collection edited by Thomas Brothers under the title of Louis Armstrong, in His Own Words: selected Writings, in 1999. For more than a decade now, scholars of American jazz and African American literature have analyzed Armstrong's writing style as well as the ways in which he used autobiography to shape his public image. I believe that these issues need to be addressed in the wiki article, and I would be happy to write up a whole paragraph about them. I am an American Studies scholar whose monograph Music Is My Life: Louis Armstrong, Autobiography, and American Jazz was published by the University of Michigan Press this spring; the book is definitely the appropriate source to credit the information I mentioned above. I hope this request is helpful. MickTomStone (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like an appropriate theme to introduce. If you wish for assistance in writing a paragraph or a section about Armstrong's writings then ping me here or at User talk:Binksternet. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 17:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. While the idea is well intentioned, edit requests are intended for certain requested changes, not ideas. If you write a paragraph, you can make another request. Vacationnine 06:39, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2012[edit]

The passage I would like to change is the subsection Writings.

Armstrong’s gregariousness extended to writing. On the road, he wrote constantly, sharing favorite themes of his life with correspondents around the world. He avidly typed or wrote on whatever stationery was at hand, recording instant takes on music, sex, food, childhood memories, his heavy "medicinal" marijuana use—and even his bowel movements, which he gleefully described.[51] He had a fondness for lewd jokes and dirty limericks as well, which he included in many of his letters to fans, colleagues, and friends, and many of which he wrote down in an unpublished Joke Book.[5] But his writing activities went beyond the humorous. From the 1930s onwards, he wrote a substantial number of autobiographical narratives that told the story of his youth and upbringing in New Orleans, his participation in the creation of jazz, and his professional career as as musician, entertainer, and actor. The first of these autobiographies was titled Swing That Music and was published in 1936. It was largely ghostwritten but contained the basic facts of his early life. In 1954, he published his second autobiography, Satchmo: My Life in New Orleans, which was intended as the first segment of a two-part work. The second part never appeared, but parts of the manuscript and many other examples of Armstrong's writing, from a variety of manuscripts and letters to essays for magazines like Esquire, were published posthumously.[6] Armstrong was both a prolific and an unusual writer. His written voice is characterized by a conversational tone that draws heavily on idioms, expressions, and strctures of the African American vernacular.[7] Especially remarkable is his idiosyncratic of apostrophes, ellipses, unusual capitalization, and underscores, which give his writings a spontaneous and provisional feel that may be related to his musical aestehtics.[8] MickTomStone (talk) 08:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC) 16:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)MickTomStone (talk)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Vacationnine 16:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

pronunciation of Louis[edit]

http://web.archive.org/web/20070310121225/http://www.louisarmstronghouse.org/smartfaq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1137535794 --Espoo (talk) 11:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

No mention of High Society?[edit]

I'm surprised to see there's no mention of the film High Society which includes some memorable numbers by Satchmo. Certainly the High Society Calypso and the number That's Jazz with Bing Crosby merit being mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.235.255.90 (talk) 06:56, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Your "surprise" is based on a false assumption that could have been avoided by reading the article before posting. Please take time to read the article to see what is mentioned in it before assuming things are not. Thanks. -- Infrogmation (talk) 20:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Mary "Mayann" Albert - date of death - 1927 instead of 1942[edit]

According to Louis Armstrong's biographer Laurence Bergreen, Mayann died at the year of 1927.

This can also be confirmed here: http://books.google.com.br/books?id=fdxDDe-fb8sC&pg=RA1-PA20&lpg=RA1-PA20&dq=%22That+was+the+year+of+1927+when+she+died%22&source=bl&ots=ae0BcehxVU&sig=5c7BS1qh08S_9A4tZ66oXrpuTd4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qfFdUsCbM8KnkQfFl4GQBA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22That%20was%20the%20year%20of%201927%20when%20she%20died%22&f=false

Laurence Bergreen's bio of Armstrong: http://www.amazon.com/Louis-Armstrong-An-Extravagant-Life/dp/0767901568

Yes check.svg DoneReatlas (talk) 09:47, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Birthdate[edit]

Doubtless this has no validity - although I hope one day to find an original text with which to check - but in a quotation from the diary of Edward Robb Ellis for 23 July 1935, Ellis recounts his talking with Armstrong after a gig and being told he was born on 4 July 1890. This quotation is from 'The Assassin's Cloak' (Edinburgh, Scotland: Canongate, 2000), a compilation of entries from various diaries of the famous. Harfarhs (talk) 20:21, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The pic on the Wikipedia page of Louis's visit to Finland[edit]

The heading under the pic on the Wikipedia page of Louis's visit to Finland is incorrect when it refers to "musicians from Finland". The musicians in the pic are Barney Bigard on clarinet and Jack Teagarden on trombone.

John Park--Johnpark (talk) 13:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Thanks for the note! Binksternet (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2014[edit]

In the intro, please remove the hyphen from "whose skin-color was." The article on the subject is Human skin color, not Human skin-color. 149.160.172.39 (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. I also removed a hyphen from "skin-tone" later in the article. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 06:22, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Subsections in "Career"?[edit]

Hello - I have a recommendation for this page. The "Career" section currently only has one subsection, despite being pretty long (as it should be, of course). As a random reader coming to the article, I would have found it far easier to retrieve information about Armstrong if it was split into more sections. A "wall of text" like that can be quite daunting. I think it would be best if someone who has worked on the page, or at least who is very knowledgeable, chooses where the divisions should be and names the headings, which is why I haven't done it myself...I hope there's someone interested in doing that, IMO it would be a big improvement to the article. Cheers! --Loeba (talk) 09:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Is There ...[edit]

any hint in literature, exactly how he practised the cornet?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:34CE:E4A0:11EF:F6B1:6E3:1227 (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ imdb.com