Talk:Louis B. Mayer

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Question[edit]

Why is Louis B. Mayer tagged as Canadian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.220.24.77 (talk) 20:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

I don't have much interest in Louis B. Mayer other than his thoroughbred racing stable. However, as the article stands it needs removol of POV, unfounded opinions and statements. If no one bothers to fix it up, in a few days/weeks I'll give it a try. - Ted Wilkes 20:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Patricia Douglas Rape Controversy/Coverup[edit]

There's nothing on the page about the massive coverup around the Patricia Douglas rape and coverup. The documentary Girl 27 recently covered it.

12.180.65.2 06:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment[edit]

Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Factual issues[edit]

"This made Mayer the first executive in America to earn a million-dollar salary." This is patently false. Walter Chrysler was paid a million dollars a year to run Willys-Overland in 1919. I have deleted this sentence. Altgeld (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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The Star System[edit]

LB, as much as has been printed over the years did not create the star system. Zukor preceded him in the motion pictures with the Famous Players franchise beginning in 1912, though he also did not create what had already become the star system in the Broadway theatrical world. Charles Frohman is the true creator of the star system of which Mayer and Zukor mimicked in their respective companies. That is to have nearly every star under one banner with complete control over them. Mayer for example would groom a talent for a period of time in supporting roles in films before launching them into a starring role in a prominent film. Or as Frohman did in a 'prominent play'. In fact many of Frohman's players would later work for Zukor and Mayer and the other various Hollywood studios. Famous Players was named as such because Zukor tried to lure every Broadway star of note over to his company and nearly succeeded. Mayer in later years refined these tactics that Frohman had pioneered. Koplimek (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

he spends almost all his life up to 19 years of age in Canada and he's not Canadian too ?[edit]

not only that but his family probably stayed there. something about Canada should be mentioned in the introduction.Grmike (talk) 16:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)grmike

Film Portrayals[edit]

1. Hollywoodland: No character listed as him for that film and he was dead by the time of the events the movie is showing

2. Last Tycoon: Not sure any specific mogul of that era is intended in this film —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.210.123.148 (talk) 07:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

How can a person be known "always" by one name and often by another?[edit]

Lead to the article needs to make a little more sense. I understand the sentiment, but the always needs to change.LeValley 01:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Taylor mention[edit]

User:86.46.119.43 and I are in disagreement with his recent edit. I have no objections to mentioning Taylor's opinion of Mayer; it provides a valuable counterpoint to the already extant more positive views. I do disagree, however, with highlighting her status at MGM in two sentences with mention of when she joined and her last film. In other words, there is no reason to treat her opinion any differently than we do Hepburn's, or Robert Taylor's, or Caron's. Now, if the article were filled out so that other mentioned actors were treated in the same way as Elizabeth Taylor's (not necessarily in the exact same way, but by citing some other details of their MGM careers), that'd be different, but as it stands the paragraph violates WP:UNDUE and, given her death which no doubt prompted this edit, WP:RECENT. Ylee (talk) 20:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Fits better in the National Enquirer than here. Books have been written about her life at MGM, so a single sensationalist phrase does not help her or Mayer. It makes her look dumb for staying, and him for keeping her as part of his flock of other child stars, like Mickey Rooney and Freddie Bartholomew. Seems out of balance in the article. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Again, I have no objection to stating that Taylor considered Mayer a monster; it's a cited claim (although, certainly, another cite or two from one of the many books written on Taylor would be welcome). I object to treating her view with WP:UNDUE standing compared to others' views in the paragraph. Ylee (talk) 20:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Ylee that Taylor's comment serves as welcome counterpoint to the others' opinions but that emphasizing Taylor's tenure at MGM is extraneous, and in context, confounds the point being made. JohnInDC (talk) 21:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
And without context, it's trivia. When a child feels a controlling adult is a "monster," it's almost silly. For example, Mayer naturally tried to keep all his child actors in line, like any father figure. After one such episode, Mickey Rooney replied, "I won't do it. You're asking the impossible." Mayer then grabbed young Rooney by his lapels and said, "Listen to me! I don't care what you do in private. Just don't do it in public. In public, behave. Your fans expect it. You're Andy Hardy! You're the United States! You're the Stars and Stripes. Behave yourself! You're a symbol!" Mickey nodded. "I'll be good, Mr. Mayer. I promise you that." Mayer let go of his lapels, "All right," he said. (from The Leading Men of MGM, by Ellen Wayne, p. 246)
If he was a "monster" to treat the kids he was responsible for that way, we need more such "monsters." --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't disagree! But as a Wikieditor, that doesn't change the fact that Taylor, by all accounts, very much disliked Mayer. As a well-known MGM actress during Mayer's tenure her opinion is relevant. It is neither *more* nor *less* relevant than the others cited, which was my original objection to the IP editor's insertions. Ideally this article would have more than one paragraph on his actors' views of him and vice versa, with anecdotes such as yours above illustrating multiple perspectives. The article isn't at that stage, so the next best thing we can do is to balance the extant viewpoints, not giving any one undue or insufficient attention. Ylee (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2011 (UTC)