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Emergency intervention needed[edit]

"Musée du Louvre" sounds like French. This isn't French Wikipedia and we shouldn't use (until isn't very necessary) the French expressions. May I rename this article to Louvre Museum to undo this fundamental language error. Alex discussion 22:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I was quite startled by the title of this page too, I've only ever heard to it referred to as 'the Louvre' and whie I've checked and seen that there are a few English sources that refer to it as 'Musée du Louvre', 'the Louvre' is much, much more common. 57.250.229.136 (talk) 13:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
There is also Louvre Palace on the building, & we don't like "the" in article titles. Many non-English speaking institutions use their native names, certainly most French museums. I don't think I've ever seen (UK-based) "Louvre Museum" used by a serious source, but I agree "the Louvre" is most common in English - but so is "the Prado". Johnbod (talk) 14:33, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Leave it be - per Musée d'Orsay...Modernist (talk) 13:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Grand Louvre as the official name of the Musée du Louvre[edit]

The article states in its introduction that the official name of the museum is Grand Louvre which seems to me to be an error. As i searched the official website of the museum I haven't found the mention of this name at all. Instead every image and every logo has the name "Musée du Louvre" (Louvre museum) on it. Also, when there is a mention of copyright the name used for it is Musée du Louvre. But actually I did not found a page clearly saying that "Musée du Louvre" is the official and sole name of the museum. But I am almost sure that Grand Louvre is not the official name of the whole museum but only the name used for the extension project of the museum that begun under the presidency of François Mitterand in the 80's and that led to its actual form with the Grande pyramide etc (see fr:Grand Louvre on French Wiki)... So, I think that we should remove this information unless someone can prove with a document stating it that "Grand Louvre" is the official name of the museum. --Tancrede (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

agreed, & "officially" removed, as a start. The term I think refers to the building, or the Mitterand expansion project, rather than the Museum, & doesn't appear at all in the lead of the French article, or the home page of the museum's French website. Johnbod (talk) 14:28, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes, Grand Louvre is very specifically one of the Grands Projets of François Mitterrand. Removed from 1st line as a name for the museum, & bolded lower down. Johnbod (talk) 17:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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Broken references[edit]

There are two references which cite a "Simon" (currently refs 26 and 27). What book is this? It does not appear in the Works cited section. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 13:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Years ago I cited that book when working on the article. I'm not certain what happened to the cite. I'll take a look for you and see if I can dig up what book that is. I do recall the name "Simon" while I was researching some of the article's additions at that time. Sorry, I've not been active much and certainly haven't been watching the article. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

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Tuileries Palace[edit]

I believe it should be mentioned that before The Louvre became such an immense structure it was comprised by 2 separate palaces: Le Palais du Louvre (Louvre Museum today) and the Palais des Tuileries (Palace of Tiles, nonexistent). This second palace was built, or comissioned, on the West side, by Catherine de Medici. The 2 palaces were later connected by a passage which we know today as the Grand Galerie, the longest Galery within the Louvre Museum. In later centuries, I believe the 19h century, the Palais des Tuileries was set on fire and destroyed by a Communard during the Paris Commune, never to be restored. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuileries_Palace) Instead, its ruins were demolished entirely, giving the Louvre the openness needed to include les Jardins des Tuileries (the Tuileries Gardens) as part of its complex to the West. (Simbelmyne9 (talk) 13:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC))

This is covered at Louvre Palace the article on the building, and the article on Palais des Tuileries. Johnbod (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Middle age and bourbon Palace[edit]

Bourbon Palace ? v_atekor (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

move name?[edit]

Shouldn't this article be headed under "Louvre Museum" instead of "Musée du Louvre"? Gryffindor (talk) 06:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

If you want to change the title, please use WP:RM. And for the record, I'm opposed to that name change.--JaGatalk 01:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Me too (see section at top of page also). Johnbod (talk) 13:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
The article should remain as is, IMO the name should stay the same it's fine - as is this museum - Musée d'Orsay...Modernist (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. Gryffindor (talk) 10:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2013[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move to The Louvre (non-admin closure) Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 23:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)



Musée du LouvreThe Louvre – This was moved back in 2010 because Musée du Louvre is the "official name". Wikipedia does not use the official name, it uses the common name used in English language sources. "The Louvre" or possibly just "Louvre" is clearly that common name.  Ryan Vesey 06:38, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

One needs only to search for Musée du Louvre and The Louvre in JSTOR and analyze the results to be convinced that "The Louvre" is the common name. Ryan Vesey 06:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
As I understand it, "The Louvre" covers both the Musée du Louvre (the institution) and the Louvre Palace (the building), not only the museum.Blaue Max (talk) 07:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I've never heard it used to refer to the Louvre Palace, then again, I wasn't aware of the Louvre Palace prior to now. That said, both "Louvre" and "The Louvre" redirect here, so I doubt it. In addition, it appears like that would be a job for a hatnote, as at a minimum the museum is the primary topic for "The Louvre". Ryan Vesey 07:49, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
When you read "Louis XIV moved his court from the Louvre to Versailles", it refers to the building, not the museum which did not exist during Louis XIV's era. When someone says "let's meet at the Louvre", it doesn't forcibly means you are going to visit the Museum. But I agree that most people typing "the Louvre" in Google are actually seeking the Louvre Museum...Blaue Max (talk) 08:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose for the reasons above, but, yes "the Louvre" is the English common name for both and should normally be used in other articles to refer to both, with a piped link. This was discussed previously, when someone started moving all museum refs to Musée du Louvre. Johnbod (talk) 14:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Which reasons? You are opposing this move, while stating that "the Louvre" is the common name. By your own argument, it should be moved. If your concern is that "the Louvre" is the common name for both the palace and the museum, a disambiguator can be added (i.e. The Louvre (museum) or even The Louvre Museum. I don't feel that one is necessary though, because this is the primary topic. Ryan Vesey 01:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is demonstrated by the stable redirects mentioned above. Use a hatnote to the effect of "This article is about the museum. For the palace which includes the museum, see Louvre Palace." --BDD (talk) 19:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. It's the common name, according this ngram. Kauffner (talk) 02:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. Clear common name, clear primary topic. Open-and-shut case if ever I've seen one. Jenks24 (talk) 15:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Why did the sounded pronunciation disappear?[edit]

Up to several months (maybe a year) ago, one could hear the name "Louvre" pronounced. It was useful - even here, in Washington, DC do the otherwise great classical radio announcers mispronounce the name as one syllable, rhyming with "move".Svato (talk) 15:45, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2014[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


The LouvreLouvre – The definite article "the" is not part of the name. See, for example, this page (in English) at the museum's web site. "The" is not capitalized in running text, as in for example: "Support the Louvre", and therefore should not be part of the Wikipedia article title according to WP:THE. Robert.Allen (talk) 05:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment Anecdotally, the place is "the" Louvre, being the common name for the place (including the 'the') That can be seen on how English (work/text/reviews/etc) refers to places that are part of it or around it use "Louvre" vs "the Louvre". -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - we have to have a meaningful title, like WP:THE exempts The Beatles, if "The Hague" was sometimes "the Hague" in running text (it's about 50/50) we wouldn't move it to Hague. In this case the "the" is virtually welded, and per Musée du Louvre, de+le = du, not Musée de Louvre (sic), as in French as in English, requires a definite article. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Search The New York Times: It's almost always "the Louvre" in running text, such as: "Veronese Masterpiece Damaged at the Louvre". Plus, the name of the group is "The Beatles" (per my trusty All Music Guide), so that particular example is not relevant in this case. Perhaps you were unaware of that. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Mmm. Okay, well I can't quite put my finger on the issue. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. The meaning does not change without the "The", and the "The" is not capitalized in running text. So according to WP:THE, the "The" does not need to be included in the article name. I don't see this as any different from the reason we have Museum of Modern Art rather than The Museum of Modern Art. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • A louver (USA spelling) or louvre (UK spelling) is a window blind or window shutter. In newspaper usages of "Louvre" without "The" to mean the building in Paris, exclude cases where "The" is omitted to save space in headlines. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
    • The article for that is at Louver. So if moved, a headnote pointing to that page would be appropriate. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per nom and User:Good Olfactory. Despite the claims above, English usage does not require an article. Maps reading "Louvre Palace" and "Louvre Museum" abound. On the other hand, the Hague always carries an article, even on maps. —  AjaxSmack  03:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:THE, various above (GO, Ajax etc), and consistency with who knows how many other names that include a participle in their local names but not in English. Johnbod (talk) 22:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. Hey, has anyone cited WP:CONCISE yet? No? I will! Face-smile.svg Red Slash 07:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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