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I was reading last years WOXY 500 and the song appeared on the list as number one. Should achievements like this be mentioned? After all, the radio station is fairly important one.

-- 14:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

version used in donnie darko?[edit]

I only have the recording from Substance, which sounds different than the one used in the film. Was the earlier january recording used in the movie? it sounds newer or maybe more processed

From what I remember, it sounded like the Substance version to me --Surachit 14:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

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Added broken template[edit]

I added the broken template, the edit buttons dont display properly in firefox.Operating 12:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

2007 7" re-issue[edit]

The 7" reissue has another version of LWTUA on the b-side alongside "These Days". The side is 33 rpm, whereas the a-side is 45. I'm not sure precicely which version of LWTUA is on the b-side, so I haven't added it to the article yet. I'll flip through the versions in the boxed set and see if I recognise it. -- Jon Dowland 18:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, are there any other differences between the original and reissue? Drutt (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The original 1980 7" release also had the B-side at 33 rpm. Not popular with pub landlords when put on the jukebox.

The most popular Joy Division song[edit]

LWTUA is the most popular joy division song. It is referenced correctly at a reputable website (last fm). If you believe it isn't the most popular song, provide a reference that demonstrates this. Otherwise leave the reference. Operating (talk) 21:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes it's a verifiable source, but the opinion of listeners to one radio station in the world looks like a case of undue weight. Even with the polls mentioned under Popularity (NME's "best single" and JJJ's #1 on the Hottest 100) people are always going to have issues with this terminology. I'm quite sure it is the most popular JD song, but what's wrong with simply describing it as "a song" rather than as "the most popular song"? It's importance in their catalogue is surely apparent from the rest of the article without such blanket statements of what is, after all, a value judgment - no matter how many sources agree with it. My suggestion is that the intro describe it as "a song", and you mention the LastFM poll (clearly identifiying it as such in the paragraph) in the Popularity section. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia deals in verified and pertinent statements, not your value or mine WP:verifiability. Lead sections should and do point towards the contents of the article. The popularity section dictates it be mentioned in the lead WP:Lead. Operating (talk) 04:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Love Will Tear Us Apart is most likely their most popular song, but again, put it in the popularity section as is also one website, there are other websites that claim Love Will Tear Us Apart is a terrible song, but that doesn't go in the introduction. (talk) 17:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Both of you have admitted that this song is their most popular and yet you still want to delete a reference that demonstrates this. That isn't logical nor adhering to the WP:MOS. The logical conclusion of leaving section details out of the lead is that the lead will say "This is a song" and nothing more. Operating (talk) 22:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes I admitted that I believe it is their most popular song, but that isn't up to us 3 or one website to decide, should I post links to reviews saying it's a bad song and add that to the intro of the article? Obviously not65.94.119.168 (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Do you know what WP:verifiability is? You can't find a reputable source which says LWTUA is a bad song. A reference demonstrating it is the most popular song is already in situ. So which do we leave? Not a difficult question to answer. Operating (talk) 05:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
You can't source for this because the link is not claiming that "Love Will Tear Us Apart" is the most popular Joy Division song, since the site's purpose is to only track plays by users. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
You're right it isn't a difficult question, just like Wesley states, doesn't even state it's the most popular song. Give it up man if you think is the final say on popularity... (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


The statement that New Order did not perform "Love Will Tear Us Apart" until 18 years after Curtis' suicide is plain wrong. There is a bootleg from May 18, 1983 (the third anniversary of Curtis' suicide), where the band plays it. Sumner asks the audience if they know what the significance of the day is. They don't, but the band plays the song anyway, with Sumner botching the second verse. Bootlegs and setlists available on many Joy Division/New Order sites show that the band played this song frequently throughout the 1980s--one of the few Joy Division songs that New Order played until 1998 and later. They also played Atmosphere frequently in the latter half of the '80s, but that's another story. :-) Leamanc (talk) 03:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it of interest to include cover versions of the song on this page? Susanna and the Magical Orchestra did an interesting version of it (album: "Melody Mountain" released 2006). Jimjamjak (talk) 12:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Nouvelle Vague and Fall Out Boy have both done pretty popular covers of the song —Preceding unsigned comment added by Namzie11 (talkcontribs) 01:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

'Just want to say, why is The Cure missing from this list? They covered this song right? Or am I mistaken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Human Drama covered it, too.-- (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

  • The first cover version was recorded by the Austrian band Chuzpe in 1980 (see their records listing). David Stifter (talk) 16:43, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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