Talk:Lower West Side, Chicago

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People, please try to source and have some links to references when possible.

Real Estate Links in Article?[edit]

The links to University Commons, University Station, GoTopIlsen.com, and Podmajersky in the External links section are nothing more than direct links to property management firms and developers with very little specific information about the Lower West Side. Such obviously commercial and for-profit material probably doesn't have much of a place here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.12.131 (talk) 04:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Who knows the Real Estate Ads always come back but not by the writer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.241 (talk) 03:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The neutrality of this article[edit]

There are several instances where the author has made comments that clearly favor the side of developers versus those of many Pilsen residents. In the Today section-- "Some local advocacy groups have formed urging the neighborhood's Alderman to curtail "gentrification" ie:reinvestmet to preserve the Mexican-American cultural and demographic dominance in a time capsule" and the unfounded "as can be expected, many renters in Pilsen are fearful of increased rents and the displacement this may cause though studies clearly show that tenants typically pay more to stay in improving areas they formerly fled from". Podmajersky also makes an appearance in the links for no apparent reason other than this company has been buying much property in Pilsen due to its changing "hip" status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saucepacket (talkcontribs) 07:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The main writer has never put Podmajersky in the links but you may not realize that Podmajersky hasn't bought any significant property in years. His holdings were bought decades ago from those who were "moving out" on the cheap. As for gentrification, I have referenced two studies that clearly support my views, your's may vary. I may favor a viewpoint you don't share but as a Pilsen resident for several decades my views are shared by other residents of long term tenancy and supported by fact. I don't favor "developers" but you are correct that I do favor those who, like myself, are Pilsen Homeowners and favor reinvestment after several decades of disinvestment. Until recently it seemed they only cleaned our streets before the marathon. Bringing up Podmajersky in the manner you did makes me think that you are not aware of the historical parallel between his purchasing during the time of ethnic change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.241 (talk) 03:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Continuing problems[edit]

This article has been a mess for a long time. The "Today" section has never met Wikipedia standards for tone or neutrality. It reads like a real estate advert and I suspect that's exactly what it is meant to be. Why else would there be this continual sprouting of links to various firms and developers? Tearing down and rebuilding the entire section would be a good start, but I suspect that the same problem people will simply undo the whole thing within a matter of days. At least the disgusting "anti-Mexican" junk has been eliminated (for now). Omhseoj (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The "gentrification studies" bit has absolutely nothing to do with Pilsen; it also lacks citations so I believe it can be removed. Also agree on the links to developers, unless there is a developer I am not aware of that is specific to the neighborhoods on the Lower West Side. Alf is hilarious (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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On the "anti" Mexican junk that has been eliminated, I reviewed the history of the page and cannot find any that was removed. None has existed to my knowledge. As for developer links they never came from me. Those irritating realtor links pop up as quick as people edit them out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.241 (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

On References[edit]

The new additions to the bibliography are helpful, but the article needs citations. It is chock-full on unsourced statements- just as an example, if the ethnic population of Mexico is broken down by percentages, that is a statement that needs a source (after all, it was obviously pulled from someplace). Omhseoj (talk) 05:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)