Talk:Lumen Gentium

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Merge proposal[edit]

Someone has suggested, without giving any reasons in support of his idea, that the article "Subsistit in" in Lumen Gentium be merged here.

  • Oppose "Subsistit in" is an important concept in its own right, requiring a separate article of appropriate length, not a mere section of another article. In view of the shortness of the Lumen Gentium article, merging the other material into it would turn it into an article on "subsistit in" but with an inaccurate title. Lima (talk) 06:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Mildly Support The significance of this phrase comes from its selection by the Council fathers for this particular document. I have no major objection to a separate article continuing to exist, but the merger does make sense.ClaudeMuncey (talk) 19:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Subsistit in" (SI) is a matter that the Church itself considers worthy of its own special recognition and discussion -- hence the reason why this separate article exists. While he rest of the text of LG is a restatement of long-held ecclesial doctrines, SI is regarded by many as a novelty of Vatican II requiring frequent clarification by those who argue it is not a novelty. It is a on-going dispute in a way that nothing else in LG is (or was). patsw (talk) 01:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Strongly Oppose This is a very important RC topic, which needs more meat, better linking and better wording and additions. There also have been new publications shedding important light on this issue see Sebastian Tromp--Ambrosius007 (talk) 11:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

--Ambrosius007 (talk) 11:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Strongly Oppose. This is a major topic in all ecumenical discussion. It is, however, only one of many, many topics covered in Lumen Gentium.EastmeetsWest (talk) 02:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

--If there is no disagreement, I will remove the merger proposal by June 8, 2008.--Ambrosius007 (talk) 15:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Gérard Philips[edit]

There should maybe be an article about Belgian theologian Gérard Philips, since he generally thought to have been the original ghost writer behind Lumen Gentium, having composed the first draft. [1] [2] ADM (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the first draft was composed by a committee. For example, Yves Congar was the primary author of the first draft of sections 1-8 (in Chapter 1) and sections 9, 13, 16, and 17 (in Chapter 2). According to Congar, Philips did write more than any other single person, and he may deserve an article, but it would be an oversimplification to call him the author. And the term ghost writer isn't really appropriate; the authors' names were never publicized, but neither was it a secret that the bishops didn't do most of the writing themselves. In fact, it was well known during the council that the periti (including Yves Congar, Henri de Lubac, Karl Rahner, Joseph Ratzinger, Willy Onclin, Joseph Lecuyer, and many more) were doing most of the actual writing of the documents. The bishops debated the theoretical content while their periti composed most of the text at the direction of the bishops -- but it was only later that Catholic scholars learned some details of who wrote which parts. — Lawrence King (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Separate article for the Nota explicativa praevia[edit]

Lumen Gentium's Nota explicativa praevia has its own article. There is a discussion about whether this article -- Nota Praevia -- should be kept as it is, renamed, or merged into the Lumen Gentium article. If any editors have an opinion, please chime in at Talk:Nota Praevia#RfC: Is "Nota Praevia" a good title?Lawrence King (talk) 22:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)