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According to the Encyclopedia Iranica Lori is not a dialect of Persian: http://www.iranica.com/articlenavigation/alphabetical/bodyl.html I speak myself Lori and I know that it is not a dialect of Persian but an own distinctive language. --ShapurAriani 19:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- The synonym of this article by Encyclopedia Iranica is "Lori dialects". Also the Scholars in Colombia university dont know it as distinctive language!!!!!!!!!!! One can read about this langunge more in this Encyclopedia:
- it is possible to come to some firm conclusions about the language spoken by the Lori group and arrive at a kind of West Persian typology.......... All Lori dialects closely resemble'' standard Persian and probably developed from a stage of Persian similar to that represented in Early New Persian texts written in Arabic script
- One finds some differences between "Lori dialects" and "standard Persian", but they are not sufficient to define a new separat language. 18.104.22.168 16:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
- Ps:Another Source: Encyclopedia Brittanica and Article Bakhtyari:
- They speak the Luri dialect of Persian and are Shi'ite Muslims-----------------------22.214.171.124 16:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
According to Encyclopedia Iranica they speak a distinvtive language. It is like Sorani and Gorani both are very near together, but they are two distinctive langueges. There are so many northwestern Iranian languages, thus why there should only be ONE southwestern Iranian language? This is non-sense and is due the Persian chauvinism. Luri was, is and will be a distinctive language beside Persian.
Even Ethnologue classify Luri as an OWN language. --ShapurAriani 17:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
- Dear user please dont use the Word Persian chaunism for any arguments in Wikipedia. Wenn Encyclopedia Iranica and Encyclopedia Brittanica are both Chaunism then what are your arguments?? You see: Luri is known as dialect in Encyclopedia Iranica and in Encyclopedia Brittanica too. They are both academic Sources, which are acceptable by any philologists and intellectual Persons.
- Please read my reason above. and read the (only) diferneces between "standard Persian" and "Luri", which are descraibed in Encyclopedia Iranica.
- Please dont get me wrong. Do you believe if another user find the academic reasons, Chaunism or the arguments of an user who works in wikipedia wthout any neutral and available sources and doesnt atend the Wikipedia:Etiquette the most importants in Wikipedia? 126.96.36.199 20:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Where is in Encyclopdeia Iranica written that Luri is a dialect of Persian? No where! Why you are writing this non-sense? You know as I know as all people of Iran know Luri is an distinctive language. Yes Luri is very very related to Persian, but it is NOT a dialect of Persian. I am student of Iranian language studies, thus you want say me that the classification technics of linguistics are wrong but you are right? This is a political game. Lurs are not Persians and will never be Persians. They speak a distinctive language. Iranica says it is an distinctive language and many other sources says too it is an distinctive language! I am going to post here a Luri text, when only ONE Persian will be able to understand it I will accept that Luri is a dialect of Persian, but I know that this is impossible, because it would mean, that they could understand too Sorani/Kurmanji! Do they? @Admin: This is a political game of Persian chauvinists who claim Lurs are Persians. Ethnologue classify Luri as an distinctive language and beside this Ethnologue classifiy too Zazaki/Gorani as distinctive languages, beside Sorani/Kurmanji"Kurdish". I am not here to discuess about facts. Fact is Luri is a distinctive language and claiming it is a dialect of Persian means claiming something which is scientifical not true! For 100 years they claimed even Sorani/Kurmanji are dialects of Persian. Thus when today someone claim Luri is a dialect of Persian then due his lack of knowladge. I don't think that any of you ever hear/read Luri or ever read a book about the Luri language. --ShapurAriani 10:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- You find as Reader the article lori dialects and not lori languange in Encyclopedia Iranica. I hope that you belive, the word "dialects" is not a work of persian chausnists in an academical Encyclopedia. As an iranistic-student one schould know it :-).
- I wrote some words from Encyclopedia Iranica above, the repetetion is not necessary. Morever: The vocable "lori dialect of Persian" is clearly used (see above) by Encyclopedia Brittanica too, which is an available and academical Encyclppedia as well as Iranica.
- Dear user: the word "Persian chaunism" or similar another reproaches are not reasons and correspond no source in wikipedia. They are not tolerated here and actually not by me. Please read Wikipedia:Etiquette, because It is not better for you, to use such words or rather reproachs again. See this words as my last Please. Thanks for your attention.
- If you are really an iranistic-student (????????????????) you schould know Baba Tahir, He was one of the most known Persian Poets in Lori dialect. who called his Poems lori dialect in Farsi too. While another poets like Rumi,... used khorassani dialect of Persian (Farsi). The Poems of Baba Tahir are teached in iranain schools and another academic places of the world as a part of persian literature 188.8.131.52 14:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC) (184.108.40.206)
FYI: Baba Tahir poems are cited in Gurani and Laki not in Luri! He also practiced Yarsan Religion that is a kurdish religion. How do you say that it is luri???--Lekistan (talk) 13:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ps: Only the users, who dont give any reason or source in Wikipedia are intrested in plitical games and write nonsence in Wikipedia. They dont attend Wikipedia:Etiquette and more ever, attack another users with some reproaches, since they dont find better methods :-). You dont believe it???? :-)) 220.127.116.11 14:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC) (18.104.22.168)
♣ HI, I as a Lurish speaker and native, evince my deep and huge COMMISERATION about this blunder. Lurish is a separate language in Iran which is acknowledged by Persian majority except some dogmatics that abuse unawareness of scientific society about this certain and INDISPUTABLE reality. This will be a considerable VITUPERATION from wikipedia for the natives and I obtest you to emendate this abusive phrase (lori dialects) and convert it into (Luri Language).--Wishar (talk) 11:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It's so funny! You're not talking about a dead subject. Lors are alive! They are speaking Lori. I'm from KhoramAbad If Lori is not a distinctive language then it is much more closer to kurdish than the persian! I don't refer you to your outdated and incomplete documentation I'm referring you to living people out there....
Bachtiari is according to Ethnologue a language. I find it astonishing that this is not reflected in the English Wikipedia. It will be even more astonishing once there is a sufficiently sized project in the Incubator and the most relevant MediaWiki messages localised, and there will be a Wikipedia in this language.
I am also astounded by the amount of anonymous cowards clamouring for a viewpoint that does not stack up to what is considered the position of the relevant standard in this domain. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ethnologue is not a reliable academic source ("Compendium Linguarum Iranicarum" is an example of reliable academic sources on this topic). Alefbe (talk) 23:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
HI, I as a Lurish speaker and native, evince my deep and huge COMMISERATION about this blunder. Lurish is a separate language in Iran which is acknowledged by Persian majority except some dogmatics that abuse unawareness of scientific society about this certain and INDISPUTABLE reality. This will be a considerable VITUPERATION from wikipedia for the natives and I obtest you to emendate this abusive phrase (lori dialects) and convert it into (Luri Language).--Wishar (talk) 18:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Lori is a collection of southwestern Iranian dialects. This is how experts describe it (for that you can see "Compendium Linguarum Iranicarum" or related articles in Iranica). Alefbe (talk) 21:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
As in "Luri is only a lahjeh ‘dialect’ of Farsi".
This is not an English word, can anybody offer a translation? I suspect it is Farsi but I don't have a Farsi keyboard and don't know how to spell in Farsi so I can't get a translation on my own. Erxnmedia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
So the word لهجه in Farsi means "idiom", "dialect", "intonation" or "accent". So in the article where the text is
"Luri is only a lahjeh ‘dialect’ of Farsi"
A better statement in pure English would be something like
Luri is just heavily accented Farsi
- "Lori dialects" -Llc 7, but one of them was Wikipedia-based
- "Lori dialect" -Llc 21
- "Lori language" -Llc 12
- "Luri dialects" -Llc 33
- "Luri dialect" -Llc 53
- "Luri language" -Llc 26
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