Talk:M1911 pistol

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What is this "effective method of aiming" nonsense?[edit]

The slide stop pin of the 1911 can be depressed with firing if the index finger is placed along the side of the gun to assist in aiming the gun. This is an effective method of aiming which has been known since the early 19th century. Cautionary language against using that method of aiming and firing was included in the initial manual on the 1911 which was published in 1912. It also is found in other military manuals on the 1911 up to the 1940s.[34]

The linked article does indeed warn against using the middle finger to squeeze the trigger but says nothing about indexing the first finger as an "effective method of aiming". Tchaika (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like some high school kid from the UK got confused. That whole paragraph was pretty non-essential so I just cut it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
  • The latter half of that paragraph with the cautionary part was cited and has been restored. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
And you think it really adds something to the article?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Nobody gave a reason to remove that part previously. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
While reading the article, I "tripped" on the finger against the slide statement. Assumed it was a safety issue. Maybe the moving metal parts can cause injury, I don't know. Still needs work. It might be interesting to do an entire section on this method of aiming, and how it has (I assume) been disregarded, but as I see it, it's "all or nothing". Either add enough text to make the statement meaningful, or take it all out. As it is right now, it's a distraction and a roadbump. Jonny Quick (talk) 01:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree the original paragraph quoted is garbled. You should not have the right index finger on the M1911 slide stop pin as the slide recoils. The retained end of the slide stop would be pressed against the inside of the slide on the left which can damage the slide stop as the slide takedown notch passes the pressed out slide stop during recoil. With certain guns, the index finger on the frame, middle finger on the trigger can be effective--I am thinking here about my Explorer II pistol--but it is a bad idea with the M1911.--Naaman Brown (talk) 03:03, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Muzzle velocity[edit]

Where is that information from? The .45 ACP page only lists one ammunition close to that low speed and it's uncommon. The .5 inch shorter barrel than their test gun should lose about 10-25 m/s but not down to 251 m/s. Maybe that 251 is from an older munition type or an original 1911 model? Alatari (talk) 05:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Mag size[edit]

I cam here to look up some info, and I didn't see any info about ammo capacity. I think the M1911 service issue had a 8 round magazine, is this right? While magazine sizes might be widely varied in civilian models, some mention of magazines might be mentioned for Army issue models. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.40.180.206 (talk) 10:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

7 rounds in magazine plus 1 in chamber. See the data in the Infobox. Aftermarket magazines are available that hold 1-2 rounds more. This info is in the article, btw. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

USMC returns to the M1911[edit]

USMC annouced they are buying new M911's to issue to troops: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.119.167.204 (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I thought it was USMC Special Ops only, and not the entire branch. --173.60.132.188 (talk) 05:23, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, the order is for up to 12k pistols for special operations troops according to this source. The text in this article's Operators section says this also. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Wars as standard issue pistol[edit]

Shouldn't the Invasion of Grenada be listed along with the World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam? Spartan198 (talk) 08:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.courant.com/business/hc-colt-marine-corps-20120720,0,3802303.story