Talk:M23 motorway

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Why the removal of miles from junction list?[edit]

In this edit I added miles to the junction list. They were later removed, along with another column in the table. The article has since been fully protected as part of some, apparently, on-going dispute - so I cannot restore my good work.

As WP:UNIT states that the main unit for road distances in UK articles should be miles, with kilometres following in parentheses - as per my edit, I propose to get an administrator to restore my edit. Does anyone disagree with that course of action? -- de Facto (talk). 17:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I will object unless miles and kilometres are in separate columns as per WP:RJL. My reason for objecting is based primarily on the concept that if two sets of reading are mixed up in the same column, then people will not read either. The objective in adding the kilometre column is to catalogue junctions in terms of the displays on driver location signs (which I personally use quite often when I am driving). I appreciate that some readers might like to see the miles column to help them plan any journeys, so if somebody wants to add the miles I will not stop them. Martinvl
The additions complied with WP:UNIT, which says that distances in UK articles should be in miles, with kilometres in parentheses after if desired. Once my edit has been restored, you can take the kilometres off if you think it'll look better. But your reason for objection is, I believe, insufficient to prevent restoration. -- de Facto (talk). 17:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
BTW, please continue this discussion on WP:RJL as that is where everybody else is discussing things. (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
There is better for generic WP:RJL business; here is better for the content of this article, surely? -- de Facto (talk). 17:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
The reason you were reverted wasn't the information, it was the presentation, which is a concern of RJL. However, there seems to be no opposition to including them so long as its in a separate column. The convert template displays units, which eliminates the advantages of a table (putting the units in the header row). - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:01, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Floydian, WP:UNIT states the km should be in parentheses after the miles (like I added it). I used the {{convert}} template to avoid the tedious task of converting and entering the miles again manually. Do you support restoration? -- de Facto (talk). 18:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I think WP:UNIT needs an application of WP:IAR in this case since we're dealing with a table of repetitive variables and not prose. The "mi" and the "km" take up horizontal space that is otherwise already limited. However, just having 62 (100) could be confusing. I'd suggest a mi and km column next to each other, then each cell needs only include a number, and not the units. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
The header "mile (km)" covers the column contents - the columns only contain "1.0 (1.6)", etc. {{tl:convert}} can also do 2 proper table columns (if we choose to ignore WP:UNIT), but because of the non-RJL-compliant 2-numbers-per-cell mess employed in this table, convert cannot be used properly (we'd need to use it twice per row!). We could eliminate the km values - and actually comply with WP:UNIT (and use convert to do the work) or have just one value per row (average them) or have 2 table cells (rows) per junction row and use convert. -- de Facto (talk). 18:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussions and decisions about the content of this article are taking place elsewhere[edit]

I've discovered that the content of this article is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Road junction lists#M23 revocations (18 Nov 2011). -- de Facto (talk). 17:46, 18 November 2011 (UTC)