Talk:M4 carbine

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Effective Range[edit]

Dont finagle yourself, its eff. range is 300 metres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.246.175.92 (talk) 14:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

the M4's maximum range is 3600 meters to achieve this you have to angle it 16 degrees, the maximum effective range for a point target is 500 meters (you'll most likely hit the one dirt bag your aiming at)and the maximum effective range for an area target is 600 meters (if you fire at a group of dirt bags you'll hit one of them)and now to rates of fire sustained:12-15 rounds per min (RPM) semi-automatic:45 RPM 3-round burst:90 RPM cyclic:700-900 RPM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.163.19.2 (talk) 08:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The effective range and max range on the page are incorect here is the link http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m4/m4-study-guide.shtml the source for this web site was taken from FM 3-22.9 Apr 2003 the correct range for the rifle is •Maximum Range - 3,600 meters •Max Effective Range for a Point Target - 500 meters •Max Effective Range for an Area Target - 600 meters —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake40 (talkcontribs) 07:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Max. effective range and effective range is different terms —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.172.3.13 (talk) 19:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Uh Max effective range for a point target is what is supposed to be listed as the effective range while max effective for a area target is what is called the max effective range. A point target is the part of the target you aim for which means that is the effective range you can select and hit a specific point. A area target is the area the target is in.. At where they got the 360m they call that the max effective range. Here however they call it the effective range. It might as well be listed the same as with the M16 which has the max effective range for a point target and the max effective range for a area target. —Preceding unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.132.113 (talk) 15:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

To whoever wrote the current 500/600m, please, you cant be serious? At 600m you´re more likely to hit something effectively if you launch the bullet still inside the gun with a catapult. The wiki article on the 5.56x45 ammo even mentions that the M4 starts having lethality problems beyond 50m. And even the longer barreled M-16 does not have an effective range of 500m, it is expected to be effective at up to at least 300m. I don´t know anyone trying to use the M4 beyond 200m. And I don´t care if the 500m is the official range, it´s a complete hype.

DW75 (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

M4s can and are used at 300m+ just ask the US military in Afghanistan. Number one lethality is meaningless when talking about effective range as it isn't something that can be measured and isn't the deciding factor for range. Number two the 5.56x45mm is more than lethal out to 300m and up. However there will always be cases of something not performing correctly. In the case of M855 it can and does perform inconsistently which is what causes the most problems for military forces. Not to mention just poor hits, meaning not a vital area, will result in the person not being killed and most likely will not stop them. Also killing the enemy isn't the point of rifle fire. You want to stop them if they live that is fine so long as they are stopped. So again lethality doesn't matter. Again if you don't know of anyone using M4s beyond 200m talk to the US military or even just US Army BCT. The M4 is able to effectivly hit targets out to 500m and hit the general area of the target out to 600m. That is the point of the ranges how lethal it is and whether the shooter can make the shot don't matter the weapon can do it. So no the ranges aren't just hype. With M855A1 there is even a claim, nothing to back it up other than an Army document, that has a soldier in the 82nd Airborne saying he got a kill at 800m with it. 50.192.6.69 (talk) 01:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

"Trying to use", as in intentionally choosing this weapon when expecting targets to be at >200m(you will find more people choosing to haul a .338 weapon than an M4 for that(for the few that actually gets a choice)). I´m perfectly aware that the M4 is used by the US military, i´m also perfectly aware of what most of those soldiers forced to use it at extended ranges think about that. The polite and clean version is, they do NOT like it. The M4 has an effective range of 500m in the same way that a pistol using .22LR has an effective range of 100m(and i can probably hit a lot better with a .22LR at 100m than you can with an M4 at 500m). There´s also a fair number of articles out on the net about testing that has found that the bullets from an M4 are too slow to fragment beyond somewhere between 80 and 125m depending on who did the test, and from the M16 roughly twice that. DW75 (talk) 23:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Czech use of Bushmaster M4geries[edit]

This page is about the Colt M4, not the Bushmaster M4A3 (which has its own page at Bushmaster M4 Type Carbine). Production-wise, the Bushmaster copy isn't related to the Colt original, so I don't believe the Czech Republic belongs on the list of users on this specific page. Spartan198 (talk) 06:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually this page is about the M4 carbine, a US DoD designation, not restricted to products of Colt Firearms. Colt isn't even the current government contractor for the M4.
So Bushmaster, Remington and all the rest of the "M4geries" have just as much business here and as anything with a pony stamped on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.99.241 (talk) 11:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

typo/error[edit]

number - space - unit there are several places in page where the number nomenclature is not used ie. 5.56mm, should be 5.56 mm