Talk:M4 carbine

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See also[edit]

Why is there a see also link to comparison of the M-16 and AK-47 when this page has nothing to do with AK-47s... or M-16s for that matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.246.105.162 (talk) 12:10, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

typo/error[edit]

number - space - unit there are several places in page where the number nomenclature is not used ie. 5.56mm, should be 5.56 mm

Not Quite M4s[edit]

The Heckler & Koch 416 has been placed under variants by somebody, and I question the validity. Obviously the 416 is close to the M4, but it is a derivative, not a variant. The M4 is a variant of the M16. The CQBR is a variant of the M4. But the HK416 is derived from the M4, not a variant of it. To go farther than what may be semantics, if the 416 gets space, then the CQBR, Colt 933, SIG 516, LWRC M6, Bushmaster M4, R5 RGP, Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle, and C8 need space, since they are also M4 type weapons. Grizzly chipmunk (talk) 13:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


I have decided that until someone proves that the HK416 is a variant and not a derivative, that I will just delete the section and add several things to the See Also section. It just makes sense to me. If anyone reads this, let me know what you think about the conundrum.Grizzly chipmunk (talk) 13:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for figuring that out. The distinctions between models, variants, derivatives, etc, can be hard to pin down.If you have any suggestions on how to tighten up the language at WP:GUNS#Variants your input would be welcome. Rezin (talk) 23:11, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Armwest LLC M4[edit]

Armwest LLC M4

In 2014, American firearms designer Jim Sullivan provided a video interview regarding his contributions to the M16/M4 family of rifles when working for Armalite. A noted critic of the M4 he illustrates the deficiencies found in the rifle in its current configuration. In the video, he demonstrates his "Arm West LLC modified M4", with enhancements he believes necessary to rectify the issues with the weapon. Proprietary issues aside the weapon is said to borrow features in his prior development, the Ultimax. Sullivan has stated (without exact details as to how) the weapon can fire from the closed bolt in semi-automatic and switch to open bolt when firing in fully automatic improving accuracy. The weight of the cyclic components of the gun have been doubled (while retaining the weapons weight at less than 8 pounds). Compared to the standard M4 which in automatic fires 750-950 rounds a minute, the rate of fire of the Arm West M4 is heavily reduced both to save ammunition and reduce barrel wear, the reduced rate also renders the weapon more controllable and accurate in automatic firing.[1]

  1. ^ Interview & Shooting: Jim Sullivan, AR-15 Designer Full30: INRANGE TV Uploaded: 11/26/2014

This seems like a lot of space to devote to an Internet interview about a proposal for some improvements. Would anyone object to reducing this to a sentence or two added to the end of some existing section? Maybe something like, "One proposal for improving the M4 was made by Jim Sullivan. He says that doing XYZ will result in 123." If the weapon actually goes into production then the coverage could be expanded. Rezin (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)