Talk:Macedonian general election, 2014

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"General Election" - Naming issue[edit]

Dear Number 57, the term "General Election" is not appropriate for this article. This article is about the Presidential election, and that's why I moved it there. The naming convention on Wikipedia is "<Country> Presidential Election, <year>" or "<Country> Parliamentary Election, <year>". Also, all other articles on Macedonian presidential and parliamentary elections adhere to this convention. Please do not revert this again. Thank you. Crnorizec (talk) 09:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

One more important point: legally, there is no such thing in the Macedonian electoral legislation as "General elections". The Parliament and the State Electoral Commission announced "Parliamentary"and "Presidential" Elections. Crnorizec (talk) 09:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but almost everything you have said is wrong:
  • Firstly the article is about the combined election, not just the presidential election. If you hadn't noticed, it has several sections dedicated to the parliamentary election.
  • Secondly, the naming convention is not limited to "Fooland presidential election"/"Fooland parliamentary election". There are hundreds (if not thousands) uses of "general election" (just a handful of examples from 2013: 1, 2, 3, 4 - there are many more in this year alone)
  • Thirdly, not all Macedonian articles adhere to this - see Macedonian general election, 1994. The reasons the others do not use this format is that this is only the second time a general election has been held!
Cheers, Number 57 09:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I think Crnorizec is right here. Despite the fact there is a long-standing convention on using the term "general election" on the English Wikipedia, it is completely wrong and borders an OR if one justifies its usage by the fact that both the country's president and the members of the legislatural body are elected at the same time. This could be true when only the country in question has a presidential system and both elections are regularly held on the same date (see General election for more information). In a country with a parliamentary system, exactly the case of Macedonia, the term usually refers to the country's parliamentary election. Combining both the presidential and parliamentary election to refer them simply as "general election" means that the country is wrongly treated as one with a presidential system. This is just a case of having the both elections at the same time, which is not expected to occur on a regular basis in near future. The handful of examples Number 57 has put as evidence here suffer from the same problem, as one cannot use the designation for a country with presidential to a country with parliamentary system. Hence, the term "general election" cannot be suitably used to combine both elections in countries with parliamentary system unless this has been previously discussed and consensus has been built on such usage on the English Wikipedia. Else, there are two possible ways out: (1) split each article into two separate articles for countries with parliamentary system (2) change "parliamentary" with "general" in each article for countries with parliamentary system.
Personally, my opinion on this is that one combined article may better accommodate all the information regarding the elections, but for the sake of clarity, it would not be appropriate to leave our readers deluded over how the political system is arranged in the country in question.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

It is not original research to refer to this as a general election - Balkan Insight has a whole section under this name. However, if you really think there is any confusion over the issue, then I would be happy for the first sentence to be reworded "Presidential and parliamentary elections were held..."). Number 57 10:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I've added a clarifying note next to the opening phrase in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)