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My 2 cents[edit]

  • Please reduce profanity. Or a separate article may be created for profane words.
  • This article needs to be cleaned-up as it might be confusing for non-tamil speakers.
  • Aattaya podurathu is not a Madras-Tamil word. It is Madurai-Tamil!

Mind Swapper (talk) 10:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Too many vulgar words[edit]

There are far too many vulgar words that are put up. This is should be reduced as it creates a negative impression on the language itself which is highly embarrasing for the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.84.26 (talk) 08:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Profane words need to be removed but branding Madras Tamil as an embarrassment for the country is a bit insensitive. It is the language of poor people who live in huts and slums. It is the dialect for rhe masses. 202.54.134.5 (talk) 08:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Profanity is not such a problem, it is there is all languages, more so in a slang language. As most of the interesting slang involves swearing, it should not be considered a negative aspect. In fact, some of the best phrases of Tamil are non-profane, so "tension aawadhey" guys. 91.104.85.109 (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I actually want to develop this WIKI entry. But explanations for words like "Oora otha naai" etc., should not be here. This is actually an embarrassment. But the so called "Brahmin Tamil" cannot be considered to be an embarrassment for Tamil language. So what will you call Palghat/Palakkad tamil? or will to call every other dialect of Tamil as an "Embarrassment" to the language? No. Brahmin Tamil is another dialect. One cannot ignore or deface it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.96.4 (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Work to be done[edit]

Can someone properly add them to the list ?

  • killadi- a master in something, an art or even in robbery.
  • dainx - thanks
  • saari ba - sorry
  • paynjikinu- pouring.
  • koovikinu- keep shouting
  • gumm, gummeets - sooperu
  • gujili - hot figure, Ref: gilma
  • payinju - padhinaindhu - fifteen
  • scene - (Superlative)- nalla irukku- Really Cool (in English) eg: It's really cool that you got tickets for the concert!
  • Shebba/Yebba - A sound/expression Corrosponding to relief.

Eg: "Thank God" the exams got over. Thank God corrosponds to Shebba or Yebba.

  • Kombu/Kokku [Literal Meaning in English- Horns/Stork] Eg: "Nee enna periya Komba?" {see paruppu}
  • Podang- 'Get Lost...' Eg: Podang...Nee ellam oru friend-aa??
  • Colour- Used in place of 'Cool Drinks'.
  • Gera - Feeling dizzy -as in "ore gera irrukku"
  • galeeju- A person who is dirty or who has dirty thinking" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sureshec22 (talkcontribs) 09:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Padips- Studious Nerd
  • Sappai/Sappa - same as sothai?
  • Quarter - Used Synonymously with Liquor. 1/4 of a full bottle
  • Sokhakerai-you are looking beautiful
  • cape maari - fraud
  • theeni pandaaram- hog/glutton. (theeni=food)
  • vetti-waste
  • vetti scene-showing off so much(in vain)
  • gilli - a person who is a aficianado at something
  • dabaaichikinu - an intriguing word used to describe fooling someone
  • Escape - Literally, to escape being punished, or more particular to certain areas, being beaten up
  • Area - Most commonly used to denote a geographic sphere of influence, especially in street-fights
  • Cutting - Used to denote half a quarter bottle of alcohol. Also pupularly called 90-cutting, denoting the measurement in ml
  • Free aa vidu or Free - let it go (don't worry abt it) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.252.93 (talk) 02:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

here we go[edit]

some more phrases in madras bashai that just glossaries,

enna maamay eppadi keeray, naasta paniya, ennatha solrathu, enga koolukay kumbi adchukunukeeran appram thanay kolambukku

this conversation always happen between fighting motorists in madras roads

driver1: dei vootanday sollikinu vanthiya saavu kriakki . . . driver2: vada engay oyallay . . . night vootanday vaada d1: roattay parthu ottu da porambaokku d2: adi serupallay nayae, oinga voodu poi saera maatay pothikinu po (since d2 is equally verbally abusive as d1, d2 will retreat) d1: ennamo po oinga ootunu sonna enna paechu paesuray . . . engayachum adi pattu setha than therium (then traffic seperates both)

in sattasabai we can find more pure madras bashay as all allagais throng there and abuse mutually each other. by the way sattasabai is the general assembly for the goverment of tamilnadu. heres a sample,

assembly head: manbumigu urpinay pichaypandian paesalam . . . pichay: engal thanay thaleevar, thanga tamilan dayanidhi aasiudan, en urai aarmbikiraen . . . (then real madras bashai comes . . .) policekaran ravussu thanga mudillay. podhu janam allam policekaran vudura ravusullay aadi poi keeranga. enna nadakuthu entha aatchilay, alli rani athiyallay keethu (this guys party members show appreciation by tapping bench) now the oppostion party head veeralalitha will get angry and stand veeralalitha: manbumigu ethirkatchi uripinarku bathil alikka virumbukiraen . . . (madras baashai starts . . .) ethi katchi kaaranungo mathiri baemani pasangalukku epdiyapatta police than layakku. mavanay neenga pulli potta nanga kolam pottuduvom, kodu potta road pottu raadu aethuvom. ummalay gamnu kunthu ellangatti un buttiya odachu nasty akiduvaen

pichay gets angry and comes in front of veeralalitha and says


Saavugraaki!.[edit]

One of my friends Ishwar actually explained the meaning of the term saavugraaki. He says, it is actually saavukku + girakki. By calling one 'Saavugraaki', the person means to say, "customer to death"

Kishore 10:20, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Neat-a-po?[edit]

The current explanation for "neat-a-po" says it comes from English "neat" and Tamil "po". Is this correct? I thought it may also come from Tamil "neet" (meaning "length"), as in "go along the length of this road". Does anyone know its etymology for sure? -- Brhaspati (talkcontribs) 03:35, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)


Hey.. Yeah.. i strongly do feel that neat-a-po is derived from the tamil word 'Neetama' meaning long. it somehoe lost its meaning and endded up becoming straight instead of long. guess it comes from the association that long things are generally straight.

Ram

OK...![edit]

Here some words come from Hindi true.

But if you see here, the meaning is entirely difference.

Dhool, Dil ....etc.

The sound may be look like Hindi..!

Yes, of course. But etymology doesn't always cover how a word in one language is absorbed in another language to mean something entirely different. For instance, "sarcophagus" and "carnivore" both literally mean "eater of flesh" (in Greek and Latin), however one of those words means something completely different in English (there's a long story behind it about Europeans who discovered half-decomposed Egyptian bodies in stone coffins). The words need not always have the same meaning. It's ok to list the origins without the history if we don't have the info available. -- Brhaspati (talkcontribs) 06:02, 2005 Mar 12 (UTC)

more words[edit]

Gujaals -- to enjoy

Dubbu -- corruption of duddu or derived from telugu Dubbu /da-bu/(money)

Maams, maame, machan ,maapii, mapillai, maaps -- tamil equivalents of dude.

podaanga - literally means "go away" but used in a sarcastic manner, when you start arguing about something.

Kamnaati[edit]

The following text was added to the entry on Kamnaati. I have temporarily deleted it because it sounded like a joke and/or patent nonsense. Please discuss it here if you think it is correct and want to add it back. -- Brhaspati (talkcontribs) 00:43, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)

(Begin quoted text)

When India was under the rule of English, villagers have watched English calling their children with fond "Come Naughty boy/girl", when the children were doing some mischief. Thus the word got coined as Kam-naati, which ended up to be a word to scold. This great reasearch was carried out by Dr. Bhargava when he was resting under a coconut tree.

(End quoted text) The above mentioned possible origin for the word can only be regarded as a joke and i hope the origin is the tamil word "kaimpendatti"

This word is derived from a pure tamil word called "KaimPen" or "KaimPendatti" meaning a widow. Its a feminine gender word and is not supposed to be used for the masculine gender. However, my guess is this word transfigured itself to 'Kamnati' to indicate a guy who is not with a wife or is scolded to lose his partner. Pretty derogatory, but most widely used.

The word's origin is actually 'Kaimpendatti', which means 'Widow'. It is an abusive word meaning fatherless. Originally it is 'Kaimpendatti Magane', which evolved as 'Kaimpendatti Paiya' for a guy and then 'kamminatti paiya' as the language evolved, finally to 'Kamminatti' and 'Kamnaati'.

Profanity in article[edit]

Some anon IPs have been adding and deleting terms of profanity in the article. Please arrive at a consensus. Do add profanity if it brings out some aspect of the polyglot nature of Madras bashai. Please don't add profanity just to be profane (refer Wikipedia:Profanity). The aim of this page is not to build a "Chennai-street-fight-language to English" dictionary. Please don't delete profanity if your sole aim is to bowdlerize the article. (Refer Wp:wwin#Wikipedia_is_not_censored_for_the_protection_of_minors). -- Brhaspati (talkcontribs) 19:26, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)


correction[edit]

as far as i know dubakkur is a liar. it is closer to gapsa than loosu.

we cant forget manorama[edit]

Vaa vaathyarey vootanda, nee varaang-gaatti naan vudamaatean!! Jaam-bajaar jaggu, nee saidappettai kokku!! (Jaam bajaar..)

Nainaa - ....

The whole song was in Madras_Bashai.

Can some one help by not only recalling the entire original lyrics - but also help in 'translating' it for the uninitiated?

Sariba, appaalla paaklaam!!

Siridharu

Words used in my days over there[edit]

how about words like

jaroora, bada like in bada somberi, bada shoku

are they still in use?

antharthala ...meaning in the sky


how about these words .. are they still in use ?

sumangatiyum, salpeta, koomutai, panaadai, pardesi, isa dabaikarthu, mal vetrathu, gumnu keta, ravula koral vidarthu..

Sumangatiyum and salpeta[edit]

Sumangatiyum - for no purpose whatso ever - Root is "Summa"

Salpeta is a form of alcoholic drink called "Sarayam"

Pannadai[edit]

Pannadai - is the fibrous structure formed in palm trees....... They were once used for filtering. As any other filter, it retains all the waste material and the good "paini" or "pathaneer" is filtered. Hence this term is used to denote a person who lets go all the good thing and retains the bad and unwanted things. For example there is an ancient tamil proverb that you should be like MURAM and not Salladai.. Muram retains the good things and lets go the waste while Salladai retains the waste and lets go the good things


Notes[edit]

Please use your name tags (<name>...</name>) and present your viewpoints and research notes. We request you to have the notes from a fellow contributor untouched. Thank you for your co-operation.


<jrajesh>

1. I havent come across profanity of such a magnitude that warrants deletion. But again that is a subjective thing. Please use your discretion and give preference to the authenticity of the words involved.

2. The influence of Urdu hasnt been given its due. Please add more on this topic. I also saw some of the 'Urdu' words being wrongly referred to as 'Hindi' (e.g Tamasha, Nastha). This needs correction.

3. I checked this up: dubbaku(r) is more 'a shady character' than a mere 'liar'.

Words added: a-haan, appaala, dum, etta, gilfans(u), jalsa, meyaluma, pista, voodu kattrathu

Words modified: baadu, bittu, ghalij, pheelings

Words to come: jutis, jute-u, nijaar, phant, philim, sok-ka, shokka, usaar

</jrajesh>

Jrajesh 19:26, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


Joke[edit]

Here is one joke I found on the net on madras tamil, we could use some words from this...

Micrsoft has released a Windows 2000 custom version for Tamil, starting with Chennai dialect. More custom versions for other regions to follow. This is a sample of the menus, tasks, and error messages found in it. My favourite is Zoom out.

Open = thora naina
Close = moodikko
Print Preview = paathu printadi
View = looku vudu
Cut = vetu – kuthu
Paste = ottu
Paste Special = nalla echcha thottu ottu
File = failu
Save = vechukko
Save as = Aiye ipdi vechukko
Save All = alaathium vechukkov
Find = thedu
Find Again = inoru thaba thedu
Move = jaga vaangu
Zoom = persa kaatu
Zoom Out = velilavanthu persa kaatu|polanthu kaatu
New = pucchu
Old = palsu
Replace = itha thooki athle podu athe thooki ithle podu
Run = odu naina
Execute= pottu thallu/kollu
Tools = spanneru
Toolsbar = spanner setu
Exit = apeetu/odra dei
Compress = amukipodu
Scrollbar = inge angae aladathey
Next = appaala
Previous = munaagati
Trash bin = kuppai thotti
Drag & hold = nallaa isthu pudi
Dou

10 popular words[edit]

1) sokkuda : good looking
2) kaleej : ugly looking
3) oothikichu  : gone down/failed
4) kalaasitaan da : he teased well/acted smart
5) allu ille : scared
6) kasmaalam : Faeces (derived from the Sanskrit Word 'Kashmal', meaning the same)
7) mannu : waste
8) gaandu : angry
9) bemani : idiot
10)saarpu : A Smart/Bold Characteristic (derived from Sharp)
11)Domaru : Waste dog


Mohan

Vocab section[edit]

What happened to the huge Madras Bashai lexicon?

Restore it I say.

Removing Vulgar words or adding another page that has all tamil bad words[edit]

This article depicts a form of Tamil language in detail, and that form called the "Madras Tamil" is also associated with humour, all types of audience will be interested in viewing it. In the vocabulary example and the usage part of the article there are words along with their meaning that are vulgar. This "one of a kind" article can be shared more and confidently included in chain mails, links and etc. only if these vulgar words are removed. For the completeness of this article, there can be another page created that contains the list of bad/vulgar words used in Tamil language. I need comments and POAs to resolve this issue.

I agree. We need to remove patently bad language/swear words. This article is punchy enough without such language. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 23:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I think references to gentalia and sexual acts can be avoided.

This is not a "how to verbally abuse your auto driver" tutorial. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.101.52.212 (talk) 20:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Yes. Certain words have to be removed from this article for sure. Example "Oora otha naai". It just deserve to be here in this article. May be as said, we can have a separate article for Bad words in tamil/Swear words in tamil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.96.4 (talk) 16:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Terrible transliteration![edit]

The fact that all Tamil phrases in this article are transliterated in an ad-hoc fashion is sure to cause untold confusion to people who don't speak Tamil. I am going to work on rectifying this situation as soon as possible.

Intha article-il ellam Tamil-phrase-um ad-hoc basis-la transliterate-panni irukkunnala Tamil-pesadavargalukku romba confusion aidum. Intha situation-a speed-aa rectify-panna poren.--Siva 02:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

notability, OR etc[edit]

I've removed the long (and unmaintainable) list of words and phrases. This removes pretty much all the OR, since the grammar writeup originally was based from a quoted external link. Notability - see List of dialects of the English language, the list of "Lishes" at the end. For those who don't know, Madras Tamil, Tanglish and Madras Bashai are equivalent terms in this context. -- Brhaspati\talk/contribs 03:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The sole so called reference quoted in this article was infact, a dead link to a source which anyway seemed non-notable and wouldnt have passed reliable source clause. Removed the link and tagged the article again. And please dont point to other articles which are themselves OR or have may blue links in them which again are tagged for OR etc.,. Sarvagnya 05:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Jilpa[edit]

The word "Jilpa" needs to be added. It means "Udhaar Vudradhu" (unnecessarily showing off without any substance) Can somebody do some research on its etymology?

Krish Ashok

The etymology of this word "Jilpa" can be traced back to "Thengai Srinivasan" and followed by "Chinni Jayant". Further more used by lyricists like "Gangai Amaran". I don't think the work can be narrowed down to "Udhaar Vudurathu" alone. Its colloquial. It can be used for anything in general. Like in the song.. "Ini jalsa pannunga da, gujaala jilpa kaatungada". It doesn't need any explanation. But requires a place in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.96.4 (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Notability[edit]

I will not say that this article is not notable... Madras Tamil, is one of the dialect of Tamil... just like Srilankan Tamil. May be we can have a page like List of Tamil Language Dialects and add these two into it?

Regarding.. OR, Yes.. this page is full of OR.. a clean up is required. Please tell me your views,

I'll be removing the notability tag after 5 days of this message.

Mugunth 01:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Examples list[edit]

The list of examples has grown to such an extent that, this page becomes more like a Madras Tamil dictionary and less of an Encyclopedic article. An encyclopedic article should not contain list of examples, but should illustrate how a slang is gets changed. I prefer removing the complete list of examples from this article. What do u ppl have? Mugunth 17:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, a separate comprehensive article covering all the Madras lingo will be nice. However, this article should be comprehensive and people shouldn't delete profanity and words which they are squeamish about. The whole idea of Wikipedia is to provide ALL known information on a topic and not to police the information because of its lack of aesthetic appeal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.202.209 (talk) 08:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

|Notable=March 2007 removed[edit]

I fail to see why this article would not meet the criteria for notability. There are articles for varieties such as Yorkshire English, Verlan and Brummagem, which are probably spoken by less people. Furthermore, there are articles on other mixed systems like Russenorsk or Media Lengua, so I do not see why Madras Tamil should be less notable than those.

As a sidenote I would like to point out that one of the advantages of the internet and wikipedia is that people can contribute knowledge of local facts, in this case Chennai dwellers about Madras Tamil. We must not forget that publication of dialect surveys is mainly a Western developed world business. As a matter of fact, there is probably much less material on all Indian languages together than on all British dialects together. Should this mean that wp should continue to underrepresent non-Western languages and cultures? Certainly not. I would therefore suggest to interpret WP:NOR less strictly for topics dealing with local matters of developing countries where very often academic sources are scarce

Still, I agree that this article definitely needs further editing for quality Jasy jatere 11:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Madras Tamil not spoken in Madras - Will confuse visitors[edit]

Madras Tamil has almost vanished from Madras/Chennai with large scale migration from other parts of Tamil nadu. Only a few words are used today. It is irrelevant today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaan1616 (talkcontribs) 00:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

i agree--User talk:R.srinivaas 10:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. But be accurate in your words. Madras Tamil is not a language and its just a dialect spoken for few decades by few people, not all spoke it. It was neither used formally not widespread. It had only few additional words and differing little bit from standard tamil. Thats it. It was a not a language to be vanished!. And now, as you said, due to large immigration of people from other parts of tamilnadu and the formal tamil used by chennai corporation, these words went out of use. Hence, the article should contain:

  • Dialect Spoken only by few fisherman and immigrants, not all.
  • Not used in majority of films. But in some films.
  • Manorama, kamal haasan didnt spoke madras tamil, spoke it in a single tamil film.
  • Most words are not used even before, not popular. ONly some words mentioned were spoken before, and few are spoken till today.

--தமிழ்க்குரிசில் (talk) 07:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Origin of "Bhasha"?[edit]

Bhasha has its root in Tamil as follows:

Bhasha from Pesu(speak) from Easu(speak) from Osay (sound) from "oos"(a type of sound). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Na Chozhan (talkcontribs) 07:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Derivatives from other Dravidian languages and use of International transcription[edit]

(i) The word 'kuntu' is cemmozhi (Classical Tamil); please be careful when ascribing derivations from other Dravidian languages (ii) Please use the standard International transcription (i.e. no bhayam instead of payam, please)