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Cities[edit]

I deleted the Sicilians cities' names (Syracuse, Akragas) since Sicily was not part of Magna Graecia. GC

"Sources differ on whether it included Sicily, as well as Apulia and Calabria." This basic question can't remain in the article; it needs to be addressed better than this, entirely in light of Strabo, Ptolemy and contemporary usage, not our modern opinions, whatever they may be. --Wetman 20:23, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I was going to bring this point up. I remember a tour guide stating that Magnia Graecia only referred to the Greek colonies on the mainland and that the colonies in Sicily were called something else. I also have guidebook for Paestum that also states this but unfortunately it does not mention the name for the Sicilian colonies. The book also mentions that the Greek name for Magna Graecia was Megale Hellás. --L.J. Brooks18:29, 07 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Magna Graecia also includes Sicily which also extensively colonized by Greeks. This is clearly stated by the article and is correct. Initialy the term 'Magna Greacia' refered only to south Italy but later (after 100 B.C.) it also included Sicily. Kassos (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


Please add the Greek in Greek script as well. Thanks! -- Kaihsu 18:01, 2004 Feb 15 (UTC)

The greeks did not always call themselves, Hellenes. For about 1000 years, they were Romaioi, Romans. -rome1453

"Com' is famous, the Latin spirit and that Greek from had always coexisted in the history of the Roman Empire in that magnificent civil osmosis that very we know. On purpose of the cultural identification with the same Empire it must notice that the Byzantine Greeks in other words defined same Greco-Roman. The same today present Romeo last name tutt' in the Calabria of root bizantina means, in Greek, "Roman"." In editing, I couldn't make sense of this. If there is material here, please edit it back into the article. --Wetman 20:23, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Greeks have called themselves Hellenes since ancient times and still do today. The fact that Romaioi was sometimes used to refer to Greeks in Byzantine times (East Roman empire) has no relevance to Magna Grecia and does not mean Greeks are Romans. Graikoi (where word Graecia comes from) was a prehistoric Hellenic tribe. Kassos (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"Greater Greece"[edit]

I was under the impression that the western languages' names for Greece come from this region, not the other way around. The early Romans knew the Hellenic people best via their colonists in southern Italy. Thus, they referred to all Hellenes (even those in their native Hellas) by the name of the colony, hence the Latin Graecia, from whence we get Greece. In a similar way, IIRC, Turkish calls the Greeks a term derived from Ionia, the name of Greek colonies in western Anatolia. Then again, I could be completely mistaken. --Xyzzyva 04:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Names of the Greeks --Xyzzyva 04:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said in the other section above, Graikoi were a pre-historic name of a Hellenic Tribe in Greece. It is a Greek name and was used by Aristotle to refer to this Hellenic tribe. It was adopted by the Romans and thereon by the Europeans. The Turks call Greece Yunanistan because of the ancient Greek area 'IONIA' of Minor Asia which they call Yunan. Greece is also refered to as Yunanistan or Yunan by people in middle east.Kassos (talk) 22:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

What was the Native name of "Magna Græcia"?[edit]

Shouldn't the name that the Magna Græcia Greeks(and the Greeks who lived in Greece) be in the article?--71.164.131.224 (talk) 07:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Map of Magna Graecia[edit]

The map that is posted is wrong because it does not include Sicily (and also Syracuse is totally left out). Furthermore the Greek cities are not easily distinguished. I would suggest a big map with the Latinized Greek names and Greek letters in parenthesis with a big phrase "Magna Graecia" stretching from west Sicily to south east Italian mainland. The map you have posted only shows 1/3 of Magna Graecia.Kassos (talk) 22:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It also doesn't show Paestum and Cumae and the first Greek colony in Italy which was located on the island of Ischia (Pithekoussai). The map should be replaced.

Very short Article[edit]

This is (dissapointingly) a very short article. I cannot believe that the history of Magna Graecia can be put in one A4 page as you have done here. Six or seven centuries of ancient Hellenic history is summarized in one page? Magna Graecia was not called Magna because it was so heavily inhabited by Greeks. It was called Magna because the colonies there had prospered more than the metropolitan Greek cities in Greek mainland and had produced a civiliaztion in all aspects of life, letters and science. The Greek theaters and temples that survive in South Italy are witnesses of this civilization and are truly wonderful ancient Greek archaeological places. The Greek version of this article is no better. But at least it includes the names of over 60 (sixty) ancient Greek cities of Magna Graecia. One needs many books to write the history of ancient Magna Graecia and you have half a page. Where are the historians of wikipedia? Are they writing 20 pages about actors and 20 pages about pop musicians and have left half a page for Magna Graecia? and a map that is totaly wrong? Can someone answer me please? Kassos (talk) 23:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Justifies expansion[edit]

I agree that this article is far to skimpy for such an important topic. It is my view on the basis of having read Italian and S. Italian documents that Sicily must be included in Magna Gracia. The term was really never utterly precise, few such things are, but it referred to the ancient Greek cities ringing the coasts of the south of Italy as perceived by the Romans, and seen by the mainland Greeks as Italiotai and by Romans as Graeci. Because of the significance of this area to classical history, such as the wealth of these cities (Sybaris has lent its name to luxurious display to this day) and their impact on culture as well, we need only mention the school of Pythagoras in Crotone in Calabria and the Eleatic philosophers of Campania, and of course Archimedes and many rhetoricians (Giorgias eg) in Sicily. The area was also the site of major changes in wider Greek/Roman history and the Greekness of the area continued for centuries. It is still in evidence today, with stunning ruins, and the brilliant Bronzes of Riace in the Reggio Calabria museum, superb athletes in the games and the site of influence of Plato's thoughts about the Republic (Syracuse) etc. Dating can be quite precise Euboeans at 750BC at Pithecussae and Cumae; Spartans at Tarentum; Achaeans at Metapontum, Sybaris and Croton;etc These centres were themselves the bases for further expansion of Greek colonies into other parts of Italy, quite high up as far as Ancona in fact. Interaction and struggle with the Italic peoples should be mentioned. Also the effect this 'new world' had on Greek notions of participation and democracy is at least worthy of suggesting. Someone expert in this field should expand this article along these lines, indicating also that today Greek culture lives on in S. Italy, in language, some customs, architecture, and of course art and archaelogy. PRC 07 (talk) 13:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

All you need are some scholarly sources backing you and it can be included. But you need those sources stating specifically that Sicilly is considered part of Magna Graecia. Dougweller (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Magna Graecia is a HISTORICAL region limited to the Ancient times: Middle Ages and the Modern times have nothing to do with it[edit]

"Magna Graecia" refers to a historical region made up of Greek cities on the coastline of Southern Italy. This historical region existed in the ancient times. There is not a "Medieval Magna Graecia" neither a "Modern Magna Graecia", so what's the point of sections talkin about these nonexisting entities? Where are the sources that have been used to identify a Magna Graecia existing after the ancient times? Byzantines and supposed Greek immigrants - the only subjects treated by the undue sections, have absolutely nothing to do with Ancient Greece and therefore with Magna Graecia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.221.0 (talk) 04:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)