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- 1 Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2014
- 2 Mahabharata is not dated by the palm leaf which is it is written on as its a oral handed down story, so you date via land marks or historical events that can be tracked
- 3 The paleoastronomy ref i gavewas fine and is accepted by wiki, you have no right to stop indians from dating the story via paleoastronomy
- 4 Family chart of Mahabharata
- 5 Additional text on Draupadi
- 6 Arjuna and the all female state
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I would like to add an External Link to a Podcast on Mahabharata: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mahabharata/id888135469?mt=2 Bhawmik (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Mahabharata is not dated by the palm leaf which is it is written on as its a oral handed down story, so you date via land marks or historical events that can be tracked
The "Mahabharata" is a oral transition of stories passed on by each generation, its dates are far older then the palm leaf which you are pinning the date of its orgins and history on.
Dr. P.V. Vartak from pune india established a date Using astronomical references and variety of other sources, to be (16th October 5,561 B.C) this was published in Dr.P.V. Vartak's Marathi book "Swayambhu" and "Scientific Dating of the Mahabharat War" in English.
The Mahabharata can be seen published in "classical sanskrit", classical sanskrit is of "The spoken or sung literature of the Vedas" eg (oral transition)
The paleoastronomy ref i gavewas fine and is accepted by wiki, you have no right to stop indians from dating the story via paleoastronomy
1."THE STORY" of the Mahabharata is classed as (Prehistory), yet the Prehistory page on wiki cannot class any of the rig vedas as prehistory due to the(lack of effort) on this page to include ANY of the indians history of text as Prehistory.
2. "A ORAL STORY" uses (((paleoastronomy))) as reference , paleoastronomy is The relationship of information about the sky to historical records; a fusion discipline between paleontology and astronomy, you have a write up about it on wiki..
(Dougweller) "Archaeologically impossible"
I never asked you what was possible and what was not possible, i asked for a paleoastronomy ref to be added not your speculative answers.
The chinese use paleoastronomy on wiki as ref, using paleoastronomy gives us date of its composed prehistory time frame, If the chinese can use paleoastronomy as ref then so can indians!
i understand that im not going to be able to date the children's nursery rhyme of "humpty dumpty had a great fall" by a archaeological dig for a....half man half chicken egg because i know that the rhyme was estblished in 1797 via england and its modern lingustics, But if the rhyme humpty dumpty was written in a lost language of avesta while quoting ancient river systems that historians now belive have been dead for over 3,000 years, aswell as giving exact paleoastronomy accounts gives a very different view of this crude dating which seems to be lingering on wiki.
Prof. Nicholas Kazanas the indo european greek scholar, Director of IMILOS Meleton Cultural Institute has stated that the Mahabharata dates to 3,000bc and can be seen in this youtube video dating all of the scriptures with historical factshis book can be found on google.
Could i have a better reason for why you will not accept "paleoastronomy" to date a (prehistory) EARLY ORAL EPIC, i would also want wiki to up date the Prehistory page with the rigveda.caplock74 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't really understand what the problem is. We wouldn't use a surgeon as a source, but we already have this material. The article says:
W:ttempts to date the events using methods of archaeoastronomy have produced, depending on which passages are chosen and how they are interpreted, estimates ranging from the late 4th to the mid-2nd millennium BCE. The late 4th millennium date has a precedent in the calculation of the Kaliyuga epoch, based on planetary conjunctions, by Aryabhata (6th century). His date of February 18 3102 BCE has become widespread in Indian tradition (for example, the Aihole inscription of Pulikeshi II, dated to Saka 556 = 634 CE, claims that 3735 years have elapsed since the Bharata battle.) Another traditional school of astronomers and historians, represented by Vriddha-Garga, Varahamihira (author of the Brhatsamhita) and Kalhana (author of the Rajatarangini), place the Bharata war 653 years after the Kaliyuga epoch, corresponding to 2449 BCE. That does what you want I believe, showing various views. Dougweller (talk) 09:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Family chart of Mahabharata
- Agreed. But also not shown is the sequence of succession events involving Dritarashtra and Pandu, and the succession of Duryodhana until his death. It is a complex subject and difficult to show in a chart that also shows parentage. May have to describe it in text, but it is worth some thought first. Imc (talk) 17:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Additional text on Draupadi
The text added today in the family tree was removed because it was not relevant to the family tree subject, and not to this summary article. It may be appropriate, if referenced, in the article on Draupadi. Imc (talk) 17:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Draupadi should be added in the Mahabharata family chart because the chart shows parentage. Draupadi had children.
It was only an extra couple of mouse clicks, but it seems natural to link "Vedic times" from the following section...:
There are references to "Vedic times" that could benefit with a link to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_period
Textual history and structure The epic is traditionally ascribed to the sage Vyasa, who is also a major character in the epic. Vyasa described it as being itihāsa (history). He also describes the Guru-shishya parampara, which traces all great teachers and their students of the Vedic times.
Accretion and redaction Research on the Mahabharata has put an enormous effort into recognizing and dating layers within the text. Some elements of the present Mahabharata can be traced back to Vedic times.
Arjuna and the all female state
I was wondering when Arjuna's encounter with the all female state occurs within the narrative, so that it can be mentioned on the page in the appropriate section. They are described as warrior maidens that killed any men who stayed more than a month. 
- You probably want to read the work to find out! And while this topic may be important in other settings, it is questionable if it is of significance in this article, which really needs to focus on the thread of the major story. Imc (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2015 (UTC)