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RfC: Definition of Standard Marathi

My inclusion of the statement "Standard Marathi is defined as the language of the Deshastha Brahmins and the like, in and around Pune." has been disputed. The complete dispute is at: Talk:Maharashtra#Marathi_statement_disputeZuggernaut (talk) 23:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

In which sense is M. the most advanced state. Figures, facts?

Good start, but let's work on NPOV here.

"Maharashtra is the most advanced state in India". Like the above poster, I'd like to know "advanced" how? Number of cell phones? Poets? Lithium mines?

"It has a glorious history" -- Every place likes to think it has a glorious history. Let's just stick with the supporting facts.

Advanced in India =

We can say tha Maharashtra is the most advanced "Big" state in india as its GSDP is much higher than other states and its is most industrialised state in the country.~~~~

This is also teh state in which farmers commit most number of suicides every year for lack of ability to even feed themselves

I Guess that satifies ur demand for figures

I've added the figures from "Times of India" on the revenue collected from Maharashtra. Mahasrashtra adds about $20 Billion to New Delhi's cofers every year through taxes.

Temp page

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Temp pages for discussion of their use. I've removed the inappropriate message from the Article. Other editors should be aware that there is a Maharashtra/temp, and that this is being worked on in parallel with the article. They should therefore make any additions, excisions, corrections, etc., to both the article and the temp page. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Groundnut

This page links to the disambiguation page groundnut, but I'm not sure which sense is intended. Can you help? Thanks. — Pekinensis 20:40, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I've linked it to peanut. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:03, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. — Pekinensis 12:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

State animal

State animal: shekroo (giant squirrel): Ratufa Indica =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:15, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Infobox

Some of the entries are a bit obscure; what do "2nd" and "3rd" mean in this context? And what does "area magnitude=11 mean? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The numbers are the ranking of the state with respect to population and area. For the magnitude see: Orders of magnitude (area). These fields are modelled on the Template:Infobox Country. See the India and Sweden pages for the implementation. See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian states. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:24, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks. I suppose that the worry I have is that the average reader is going to be as puzzled as I was; the box doesn't explain, and the use isn't obvious. Anyone involved in editing Wikipedia infoboxes will probably know, but we need to make it easily understandable for readers. Any ideas how that might be done? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I know, the magnitude part is not known to the average user. But on the other hand, most fields are largely static and shouldn't face frequent editing. States are rarely split or created, so the magnitude should be static. Its not possible to add comments to these auto templates; the best thing to do I suppose is to check out the talk page where the link is present to the states' wikiproject. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:33, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

added a new template in the bottom

I have added a new template in the bottom. Any comments??? This could be made dynamic once consensus is rcvd.

The reason for the new template is that there is no single place in the main Maharashtra article where all major cities and districts is located. Also, I think the seal needs to brought down from the infobox

Pizzadeliveryboy 22:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Maharashtra derives it's name from Mahars ?!?!?

The earlier revision of the article stated such arrant nonsense as the word "Maharashtra" is derived from the word "Mahar" !!!! As a Maratha, I take severe objection to this demeaning statement. No historian nor any researcher has mentioned this thing. This is somebody's fertile (or, futile) imagination at work. Just check the etymology section on the Maratha page. It gives the perfect etymological origin of Maharashtra. A word like "Mahar", which was used to demean the lower-caste people, a word which is no longer constitutionally correct is being used to describe our holy land, the "Maharashtra". It's someone's ploy of maligning the Marathi public. But we'll certainly not let them succeed.

As far as "Maha rathi" is concerned, it is mentioned in many great historians, scholars and researchers' works inc. Lokmanya Tilak. For your information, "Maha" means great and "rathi" means charioter. So, literally the meaning becomes "Land of the great charioters". New Rock Star 18:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

My mistake - I was reading it as Maha Ratta and not Mahar Ratta.....Mahar Ratta is surely wrong - I havent found a ref to that POV anywhere except in some personal page in tripod....so that will go. However, rathi too is wrong since the correct word for charrioteer is sarathi, not rathi....rathi means valiant/great warrior.
Pizzadeliveryboy 19:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, that is one of the possibilities suggested on Maharashtra Govt website itself. Take a look at this link:http://www.maharashtra.gov.in/english/community/community_geo_profileShow.php

Another theory I read somewhere else(I am not sure where but I think it was either the Pearson IAS guide or Manorama year book) was that it is a derivative of the "Rashtrakuta" empire that existed before the Islamic conquests of the Deccan. Given that the Rashrakuta empire was located over western Deccan plateau and included most of modern Maharashtra, I feel this posibility may also be counted --Deepak D'Souza 10:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read the references I have added to the statement. These are 1901 Govt. Of india's piblished documents. These are written by Mr. Russel in co-operation with Mr. Rai Bahadur Hira Lāl and by Mr. Riply after discussing with Mr. Bhandarkar. Thank You. There are few more descriptions in Huan Tsnags' diary about the people who resided in this region during his period which is written in Indian Census Report (1901). Please take a look and decide.--Layzyak (talk) 15:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

What you are saying Mistake made in 1901 (unknowingly or purposefully), when foriegn invaders in india, who never wished localite indians to know their history, ability and traditions so it is easier to tame them, to enslave them; We are still Carrying !!! We are still insulting Maha-Rathi's for internal petty jealousies.

just because one person (Mr Rusell or whosoever) tells us, at one place, we forget 2000 years history that land of Maha-Rathi's have provided Great Ashoka, Empiror SataVahana, Emperor Rashtrakuta and King Shivaji with Best of Warriors. The Land which is so advanced and industrial today. Most funny JOKE is none of these historian are from Maharashtra, how can they be so sure about Maharashtrian history ! and how we know they are not baised.

Term Mahar is not at all demeaning because Maha-r have proved what indeed Great-Warriors they are by helping Shivaji build most swift, quick, robust yet light army. Yet again by helping British defeat Peshwas, when mistake was made to remove them from Maratha army. Mahar's are acknowledged hard-workers, may be reason why this land is was called Mara-Rathi's land in first place.

The fact still remains Indian slave mentality who just because XX person tells him, prefers to call fellow indians:Maha-Rathi's in demeaning way ! No concerns calling Maharashtra land of Maha-rs, But IT MEANS ONLY ONE AND ONE THING - LAND OF MAHA-RATHIs. We don't need Russel / Delhi Gazette to tell us, what Warriors Maha-rs or Maha-Rathi's are. It is already proved it When Satavahana and Maratha Kingdoms ruled more than half of India, when Ashoka and Rashtrakuta recruited warriors from this land. I don't think we need Indian Gazette for that, Do WE ?

Can I request you to put things in correct context in main article. Either say MahaRathi and Mahar both meaning great warriors; and Maha-Rashtra meaning great nation. OR Delete un-necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.86.33 (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Audio

I hve replaced the computer generated voice with my own. I feel that the computer voice was not having he proper intonation & that an Indian voice would be much better here. Hope thats not a problem.

Thanks

Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 05:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

What about Culture?

Surely Maharashtra has a substantial cultural identity, so why is there no mention of culture so far in this article?

good idea. suggestions for this section

added by user:tejas81

Second Capital?

An anon (24.7.93.43 (talk · contribs)) has just added that Nagpur is the second capital of Maharashtra. I highly doubt that this is true, but can someone re-affirm this? I can't seem to find any reliable resources to refute this. Thanks --Srikeit (Talk | Email) 06:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not the "second" capital. The winter session of the legislative is held in Nagpur, so it can be called as a winter legislative capital. I've heard reports that Nagpur was supposed to be a "backup" capital, but no sources to back it up. We'll have to revert. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Nichalp. --Srikeit (Talk | Email) 10:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I ("anon") was the person who wrote Nagpur is the second capital of Maharashtra. I grew up in Nagpur and it is correct that the winter session of the legislative assembly is held in Nagpur. I have always believed this ... but here are two references: Govt web site for Nagpur: http://nagpur.nic.in/ - check history section, last line (1960). Maharashtra IT Parks, Nagpur History Page: http://www.maharashtraitparks.com/itparks_about_nag.htm

Later,

- Neeraj,

"Second" capital would be too vague without expanding on the exact status. (Compare with Jammu/Srinagar) Mentioning it as the winter legislative capital would be the correct thing to say. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that is far. I made that change.

- N.

Let me rekindle this discussion. Nagpur is in fact the Second Capital of Maharashtra. History has it that Vidarbha had decided to join Maharashtra during the first state reorganization because of Nagpur pact. You can get a complete discussion of this from Indian Governments Rajya Sabha session dialogs mentioned here [1]. Open this link and search Nagpur. You would get it. I would try to find a better proof if you need more. I would changing the status of Nagpur in the article soon if I do not see anymore arguments. If you have anything more drop a message at gppande (talk) 14:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Is Maharastra the largest state in India?

I see conflicting data throughout the article in terms of size of Maharastra. I do know for sure that Maharastra is not the largest state ofIndia, also as per the area_rank feild my belief seems to be true. But somehow there are places in the article which it be the largest and provide numbers according to the claim. Can someone provide a proper reference about actual size of Maharastra and how it compares to the rest of states in India? Kedar 23:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kedar,

The following links from the Govt. Of India website will help. Apparently Maharashtra is 3rd largest, behind Rajasthan and MP.

http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=23 (Rajasthan) http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=15 (MP) http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=16 (Maha)

Hope this helps.

Mihir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihirsaswadkar (talk • contribs) 00:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Leading industrial state.

There is a contradiction in the articles refering to the states of Maharashtra and Gujarat. Both are listed by Wikipedia as the countries leading industrial state.

Maharashtra's is India's leading industrial state contributing 13% of national industrial output. 64.14% of the people are employed in agriculture and allied activities. Almost 46% of the GSDP is contributed by industry

Gujarat is a state in the Republic of India. With 19.8% of the country's total industrial output, it is the most industrialized state in India. 141.109.96.97 20:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC) Although I'm not sure if the numbers are correct, assuming that they are the distinction given to Maharashtra in this article is false.

Problem with map in Firefox 2.0.0.4

I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.4 and the map is not showing up in the main infobox at the top of the article. If I hover over it, it appears to be a link, and if I click on it I get the map on its page. Other SVG maps, such as for Andhra Pradesh or Karnataka, do show up just fine, but all I see is an empty box where this one should be. --38.115.151.134 22:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Said what?

This paragraph is obtuse:

Prabhu Ramchandra touched this land previously known as 'Dandaka-Aranya' (Deep woods). Shri. Prabhu Ramchndra commenced his attack on Lanka from this land. Over the centuries, gradually this Dandaka-Aranya turned into the sacred Maharashtra. Religion, Philosophy, Technology, Arts, Knowledge, Bravery evolved here for centuries...Many dynasties from Satvahan to Shilahaar including Rashtrakut, Chalukya, Aadhin, Saindrikya, Kalchuri, Vakatak, Kadamba, Pallav etc. ruled Maharashtra rituously. Poets created Kavya-Kailas in this land. Sculptures crafted Kailas-kavya in black stones of Maharashtra.

Touched? Rituously? and jumbled.

DrLeonP 08:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing the whole paragraph as obtuse. I was about to delete the whole paragraph. but thought I should mention it here first, wait for replies and then proceed to delete. "Prabhu raamchandra" is not exactly fit for history. The rest of the paragraph also sounds like a marketing pitch. The Kavya-Kailas and Kailas-kavya is 'brilliant' word play but not appropriate for wikipedia. I will delete the paragraph in a week if nobody replies with reasons why it should be kept. --Kaveri 19:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Music

HI Kaveri, i have removed the new subsection related to music as it has been already been put under Entertainment. Incase you still want to havea seperate section for music. Then i think you wil have to edit the Entertainment secion too. in my opinion just club them and add your info (Asro 07:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC))

Well, I wanted to write about all the genres of music, especially classical Hindustani. Maharashtra after early 20th century became an important place for hindustani vocal and has remained so. I wanted to write about that. I think music should be part of culture than entertainment. Also, I was trying to follow the structure of some other states. I didn't pursue it further as I did not have enough time to rearrange the exsting content. But will do that in a week. Will leave a post here about what I intend to do before I actually rearrange content. --Kaveri 17:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

There was an attempt to 'Kannadize' the article. I have corrected the opening paragraph of the article. Please remember we are INDIANS and we should respect the other regions of the country which do not speak the same language as ours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam.khawse (talk • contribs) 21:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Forts and Trekking Spots

The list of forts in Maharashtra has been moved to a dedicated list page (needs work) to reduce the size of the article. An enthusiastic editor has also dumped the following list of trekking spots there. I thought it would be a waste to delete them. And so they are moved to below until we can find something better to do with them. - Mayuresh 16:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

101 Trekking spots in Sahyadris

  • Ajinkyatara
  • Ajoba
  • Alang
  • Avchitgad
  • Anjaneri
  • Arnala
  • Asherigad
  • Aundha
  • Ban
  • Bhairavgad (Koyna)
  • Bhairavgad (Malshej)
  • Bhudargad
  • Bhor – Wai (Satara)
  • Chakan
  • Chanderi
  • Chandan
  • Chandragad
  • Chavand
  • Dhodap
  • Dhak-Bahiri
  • Duke's Nose
  • Ghangad (Dhangad)
  • Gorakhgad
  • Hadsar
  • Haji Malang (malanggad)
  • Hargad
  • Harihar
  • Harishchandragad
  • Irshalgad (Irshaal)
  • Jivdhan
  • Janjira
  • Kaladgad
  • Kalsubai
  • Kalyangad
  • Kamalgad
  • Karnala
  • Kawlya
  • Kenjalgad
  • Kohoj
  • Korigad (Koraigad / Koregad)
  • Korlai
  • Kothaligad (peth)
  • Kulang
  • Lingana
  • Lohgad
  • Machindragad
  • Madangad
  • Mahimatgad
  • Mahipat
  • Mahuli (Bhandargad, Palasgad)
  • Malanggad
  • Malhargad
  • Manikgad
  • Mangi-Tungi
  • Moragad
  • Mulher
  • Naneghat
  • Padar (Bhimashankar)
  • Pandavgad
  • Panhalgad (panhala)
  • Patta
  • Peb
  • Prabalgad
  • Pratapgad
  • Purandar
  • Raigad
  • Rajgad
  • Rajmachi (Shrivardhan, Manranjan)
  • Rangana
  • Rasalagad
  • Ratangad
  • Ratnadurga
  • Rohida
  • Sagargad
  • Sajjangad
  • Salher
  • Salota
  • Samangad
  • Santoshgad
  • Sarasgad
  • Shivneri
  • Shivtharghal
  • Shirgaon
  • Siddhagad
  • Sinhgad
  • Sudhagad
  • Sumargad
  • Sundargad
  • Tikona
  • tahuli
  • Torna
  • Tringalwadi
  • Tung
  • Underi
  • Vallabhgad(vallabhgad.com)
  • Vajragad
  • vasai
  • vasota
  • Vandan
  • Vairatgad
  • Veru
  • Visapur
  • Vishalgad

Bombay Skyline

The B/W picture of the skyline is vertically stretched, the buildings are actually somewhat shorter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.179.10 (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

GDP

Tow issues. Number 1: In third paragraph of the introuction of the article, it says that Maharashtra contributes to 15% of Industrial output, whereas in the third paragraph of Economy section, the industrial output is 13%, Which is correct?

Number 2: Reference number three reports "In 2005-06, the state contributed 15% to India ’s industrial output and 12 % to GDP". Reference 4 says "Maharashtra contributes to almost 14.7 per cent of India's gross domestic product and 15.1 per cent of the national income." However the article says Maharashtra is India's most developed and urbanized state, contributing 15% of the country's industrial output and 14.7% of its GDP. Apparently, the big number from both the references have been randomly chosen.

Reference 3 is the worldbank website, which is a third party reliable source. Therefore, I suggest to correct the numbers. Docku (talk) 19:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

According to Ministry of Statistics and Program Implementation GDP share of the state in year 2004-2005 is 13.16 % and for year 2005-2006 is 13.2. However, the data for year 2005-2006 is not complete as it does not include J&K and Nagaland. However it can be said that the GDP is clearly between 13.1 to 13.2. Then why is worldbank reporting the GDP as only 12%? Where did they get that information from? Are they also writing things just arbitrarily? I hope not. In any case, I believe more in MOSPI statistics. Anyone has any opinion? Docku (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

GDP/per capita

I guess Maharashtra has the highest GDP/per capita according to this table. Year 2005-2006 data is a reasonable data to include. All that we need to do is to devide the GDP by population. The problem is that we have reliable population data only from 2001. The information is from Ministry of Statistics of Program Implementation. Guess, it is a reliable source. Docku (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Maharashtra is not necessarily the richest state in India. A more recent article referring to the data from Directorate of Economics and Statistics, Govt of India. Even some articles in Wikipedia have evidence to the contrary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshall1984 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Most Urbanised State

According to this article, Tamil Nadu is the most urbanised state in India. This The Hindu article was published in May 2008. In contrast, the reference used in Maharashtra article is from data from 1991. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not wrong, we may need to remove the claim. Docku (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

In fact, Maharashtra being the second most urbanised state is mentioned in the second paragraph of the economy section. Docku (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Nikkul has unilaterally modified information without involving in discussion. I hope he will participate in discussion here before involving in such actions. DockuHi 22:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

maharashtra is not richest state of india there are other state has more per capita income then maharashtra like gujarat, goa, delhi and punjab so how could some user take fake data and make vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.185.163 (talk) 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Maharashtra is richest state in term of GDP not per capita income. I am sure that country/State wealth is measured in term of GDP.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KuwarOnline (talk • contribs)
The sources speak for themselves, inlcuding a WorldBank ref:[2]. Do you have any sources which contradict these. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

principal cities

The whole section is written in superlative and superfluos language lacking, in many cases, citations. Guess, it needs some work on it. DockHi 21:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Image of Maha Vidhan election results.

I think the image is too crude, shows incomplete data - since Maharashtra was formed as a state in 1961 - and no other FA state articles like West Bengal or Kerala have such an image. I think image should be moved to some article which is about elections or article of Maharashtra legislature. --gppande «talk» 16:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Kensplanet (talk) 14:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo Gallery

I propose that a photo gallery be added to show the great symbols of maharashtra. Also the indian state of Bihar has a photo galley and punjab pakistan. So why not Maharashtra.Dewan S. Ahsan 22:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Some aspects of this topic have already been addressed on your talk page by User:Nichalp. Here are some other points:
  • WP:INCITIES and WP:INSTATES are the guidelines governing the articles on Indian states and cities. and do not recommend a photo-gallery section.
  • WP:IG says,
"Wikipedia is not an image repository. The gallery tag is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons. ... One rule of thumb to consider: if, due to its content, a gallery would only lend itself to a title along the lines of "Gallery" or "Images of [insert article title]", as opposed to a more descriptive title, the gallery should either be revamped or moved to the Commons.
  • This is an encyclopedia and not a tourism brochure. Images are added that are directly relevant to the text and add to the readers understanding of the subject.
  • Bihar and Punjab (Pakistan) are poor articles to model this one on; instead you should be looking at the featured articles, which represent the best content on wikipedia. AFAIK there are no featured articles on cities/states (except Delhi and Karnataka, to which you added galleries recently) that have photo galleries.
If you disagree with the points presented by Nichalp or me, feel free to start a wider discussion on WT:INB and WP:VP to propose changes to the guidelines. Note that I plan to remove photo-galleries you added to Delhi, Karnataka etc after this discussion is complete unless we establish a different consensus. Abecedare (talk)
Delhi and Karnataka photo gallery are on the tourism section. I dont see why it should be delited and it can be hidden. There is a hide button for these sections so it makes no sense to erase it. It took me hours of hard work to put these galleries in place and as I states before there is a hide button. So I dont see why. Dewan S. Ahsan 23:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

They should not be there in FAs. Commonscat suiffices. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

A photo gallery is not needed here as per WP:IG, also the images in particular sections are more appropriate. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Holidays Maharashtra

This is a Best Travel and Tourism portal of maharashtra . . . www.holidaysmaharashtra.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holidaysmaharashtra (talk • contribs) 11:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Divisions of Maharashtra

Can someone please clarify the number of divisions in Maharashtra? Six or seven? Paalappoo (talk) 14:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Right now there are only six divisions [2].
The govt of Maharashtra has already decided to start a new official revenue division at Nanded dividing the existing Aurangabad Division in Marathwada region. The approval has already been processed on 5 January 2009 [3]. The new Nanded division will comprise of Nanded, Latur, Parbhani and Hingoli districts.
But, this new official division is yet to come to effect as of date. Hence, right now only Six Divisions. Nanded will be the Seventh Division. For more details, please see Regions and Divisions of Maharashtra. User:Despardes7 18:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Festivals in Maharashtra

My experience of staying in Maharashtra for 28 years tells me Diwali is still the largest festival in Maharashtra and not Ganeshotsav. In what sence it has been claimed that Ganeshotsav is the largest festival? Number of days? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhi shidhore (talk • contribs) 12:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Border disputes

I think its worth mentioning the border dispute with Karnataka for Belgum district in this article. This border dispute article is already present in wiki so it can be linked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhi shidhore (talk • contribs) 12:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ [1]
  2. ^ List of districts and divisions
  3. ^ http://www.sakaaltimes.com/2009/01/05203541/New-revenue-division-at-Nanded.html

Removed text violating copyright

Text in the section "Buddhist Era" was a near-exact copy of http://www.indiaprofile.com/religion-culture/buddhisminmaharashtra.htm; I reverted the edits recently made by an IP, --MegaSloth (talk) 01:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Please check style, language, accuracy

Quote 1: "Rajaram's nephew & Sambhaji's son, Shahu Bhosale [...]" Ampersands are not freely interchangeable with 'and'.

Quote 2: "In 1714, Shahu's Peshwa (chief minister) Balaji Vishwanath, helped him seize the Maratha throne in 1708, with some acrimony from Rajaram's widow, Tara Bai." When did this happen?

140.105.47.84 (talk) 08:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Marathi statement dispute

Disputed statement: "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi." Which Marathi is "Standard Marathi" is disputed issue. The cited source of this statement may be a WP:FRINGE theory. We need more than 1 source to prove that a certain Marathi is standard. Also the Maharashtra government [3] does not say that "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi." --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Redtigerxyz, the reason for my revert was that the first ref added didn't mention the Deshastha Brahmin theory at all. What the second ref really says is that the community was involved in contributing to the grammatical structure of the language as they were employed by the princes and feudal in literary positions. Given that, adding this statement to multiple articles (Pune is another one) doesn't seem right IMO. —SpacemanSpiff 16:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The dispute was over repetitive removal of content that complied with relevant policies including WP:SYN and WP:Sources by User:SpacemanSpiff ([4], [5], [6],[7]) although I am satisfied removing the content per the reason cited by User:Deepak_D'Souza in his edit summary [8]. We all need to follow WP:Goodfaith, especially those with administrative rights. Bhalchandra Nemade is a renowned scholar honored by the conferring of the Sahitya Akademi Award so I doubt WP:Fringe applies to his material. Also, I don't think there's violation of WP:NOR or WP:SYN if we simply cite a source saying that the Marathi of a particular community is Standard Marathi and another source saying that Standard Marathi is used for official government purposes as long as both sources refer to Standard Marathi and not standard Marathi. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, the content does not comply with WP:NOR and WP:SYN. You still haven't shown that it does, with references. Combining two different sources that talk about things in entirely different contexts is exactly what is prohibited by WP:SYN —SpacemanSpiff 16:42, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The very first addition I made may not have complied with WP:SYN. I fixed that [9] and asked you to use the talk page if you had concerns about the corrected content. You completely ignored that and your edit summary shows that you did not even bother to check Nemade as cited [10] and went on to remove relevant content compliant with WP:SYN, WP:Sources, etc. You have removed similar content from other pages like Marathi [11] and Pune [12] ignoring Deepaks comment about keeping it in Marathi [13] Please restore the content to Pune and Marathi. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I have frequently heard or read somewhere that Puneri Marathi is the standard dialect. However I am not sure that attributing the Standard dialect to one particular caste (which is bound to cause controversy) based on a single source is a good idea. Nothing covered in ethnologue [14]. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I am open to taking off this content if there is consensus that this is potentially controversial content. However it does not seem to fit the definition of controversial as given in WP:Controversial (the only edit warring I see here is from admins). Also, I cannot agree with WP:Fringe as Nemade is a very well known scholar on the topic and has been honored by the one of the greatest awards the Indian government gives out. I cannot agree with WP:ONESOURCE either because it clearly applies to a whole article. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Responding to this note on my talk page. You still haven't addressed any of the points put forward by the other editors -- WP:SYN - combining two different statements in different contexts in two entirely different books to arrive at one statement here is a clear violation, such topics need multiple credible refs that exactly say what you're trying to, else it is WP:FRINGE. —SpacemanSpiff 03:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Your first deletion and edit summary response "such claims need hard references, the book doesn't contain the word "Deshastha" and it says "Standard Marathi" is the official language on P1" shows that you did not even bother to check the contents of the sources[15] because the source clearly mentions "The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune." on the page numbers provided in the citation. On the same page, the source says "The language of Pune Brahmans was accepted as standard."
I find your edit summary response [16] to my request of using the talk page arrogant. Of more concern is your use of derogatory language towards me or my content [17]
For these reasons, I feel you should voluntarily relinquish your role as an administrator. I am requesting that you restore my content to Marathi in the lead and to Maharashtra and Pune in places you feel appropriate. Feel free to correct/modify the content if you feel it's in violation of any policies.
I am also requesting that you apologize for using derogatory language towards me or my content.
Since neither user:Redtigerxyz nor user:Deepak D'Souza have followed up on theWP:Fringe issue, I am assuming they are satisfied with the explanation I've provided. As mentioned earlier, the WP:SYN, if there was one at all, was addressed immediately after your first deletion[18]. Nonetheless, another source that analyzes the issue is Ramchandra Vithal Parulekar; Vaman Pandurang Khanolkar, eds. (1965), Indigenous elementary education in the Bombay Presidency in 1855 and thereabouts: (being a departmental survey of indigenous education), Indian Institute of Education, p. 262
Since we have been unable to sort this dispute yet, and my content is still excluded from the articles, I have requested help from Wikipedia:MEDCABAL Zuggernaut (talk) 22:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
You will need to show a bit more patience than that. Just don't take it for granted that because someone hasn't responded immediately that they are in agreement; they could be busy with other things. And going to Meditation cabal so quickly for just one line is definitely overkill. Firstly, about Nemade: the Sahitya Akademi gives awards for literature, not for research. So the award he recived for literature cannot be taken as a blanket endorsment of his research by the Sahitya Akademi. Secondly, without casting aspersion on Nemade himself, lingusitic researchers can be rather one sided in their approach. That is why any such claim, when contested, should be verified by multiple independent sources.
Comming back to the "Deshasta Brahman dialect" bit, there are a lot of questions:
  1. Is this dialect really a distinct dialect as recognised by linguists?
  2. Was it really different when compared to other dialects spoken in the region? Or was it similar to other dialects with a few particular caste-specific terms thrown in?
  3. Assuming it was really different, didn't the decision to pick up a dialect of a particular caste meet with opposition from other castes, such as the numerically superior and politically stronger Maratha caste? I assume that it should have; atleast that is what happened with Konkani.

--Deepak D'Souza (talk) 04:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

  1. I read somewhere in Nemade or somewhere else that there are 30-40 "dialects" but the variation amongst most of them minor.
  2. There were some significant difference from 1-2 dialects.
  3. I read somewhere in Nemade that there were not political-communal conflicts in this context. Zuggernaut (talk)
ANother thing, issues are taken to the mediation cabal only after there is a consensus among the disputing parties that the issue is going nowhere and that the MedCab is the only option left. Next time you take an issue out of one page, especially to an important forum such as the Mediation Cabal, do have the courtesy to at least inform the concerned edtiorts at least on the talk page and also preferably by sending a message to the editors and giving them a link. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 12:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I did inform on this talk page, just a few lines above at 22:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC) that this is being taken to the cabal. I went to the cabal not just for the content disagreements but also because of the use of derogatory language [19] and because user:SpacemanSpiff placed an intimidating warning message on my talk page [20] when I have no prior history of such behavior and have always demonstrated that I am willing to talk/discuss.
Please take a look at the table below and that should put an end to WP:Fringe, Nemade's reliability as a source and the whole dispute in general.
Nemade and other sources discuss the three points you bring up above but I will differ that discussion for now since the table in the Sources section below eliminates the need for doing so.
The sources provided should take care of the choice of the words used but it's commonsense to keep in mind the general spirit and the historical background. The first person ever to compose in Marathi was a Deshastha Brahmin (Mukund Raj). The literature is replete with how Deshi of the Pune Brahmins became standard Marathi. Deshastha Brahmins are the oldest Maharashtrian Brahmins. The only other large group of Maharashtrian Brahmins are Konkanastha who are unheard of in India until the 18th century and they spoke a different language called Chitpavani Konkani. Please let me know if I can restore my content to Marathi (lead), Maharashtra and Pune. I intend to use this phrasing: "Standard Marathi is defined as the language that is spoken by the Deshastha Brahmins of Pune."[1][2][3] Zuggernaut (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Medcab

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-08-15/Deshastha Brahmin

Sources

I am providing yet another source so including Nemade, we now have three four six sources supporting the disputed statement. I have provided counter arguments in the third column regarding why I find Nemade a reliable source. The table:

Source Relevant quote/explanation from the source supporting disputed content Justification of WP:Reliable Source
Ramchandra Vithal Parulekar; Vaman Pandurang Khanolkar, eds. (1965), Indigenous elementary education in the Bombay Presidency in 1855 and thereabouts: (being a departmental survey of indigenous education), Indian Institute of Education, p. 262 No quote, only data. Page 262 of the book has tables showing the teachers and their castes. These teachers were trained in one particular Marathi and then they were sent all over Maharashtra to teach that dialect as standard Marathi.
  1. Reputed editorial board
  2. Published by a relevant governmental institution
  3. Cited by numerous other researchers
Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990), The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study, Rajhauns Vitaran, ISBN 9788185339788 {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help) The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune.[4] Nemade has a detailed discussion (section 4.4, pages 98-101) on the standardization of Marathi. He gives and explores the six factors that affected the development of Standard Marathi. The Deshastha Brahmin claim features in one of the six factors. Detailed, expanded quote is here.
  1. The Sahitya Akademi Award (2nd highest award in India) he received was in the same sub-genre as the source being used in support of the disputed statement.
  2. He holds degrees in relevant areas, i.e., linguistics AND literature. He holds Ph.D and D.Lit degrees and is thus a very well qualified researcher. Also, the boundaries between literature and linguistics vanish at these high levels of study.
  3. He has taught at various reputed universities including at the University of London.
  4. He has several publications to his name in areas relevant to the disputed statement. These publications build on work of previous reputed researches. The publications have also been cited in numerous places.
Candy, Thomas; Candy, George; Kalelkar, Narayan Govind; Molesworth, James Thomas (1975), Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary, Nirali Prakashan, p. Ten, ISBN 9788186411575 The work of the dictionary was undertaken at the behest of Mountstuart Elphinstone who was Governor of Bombay. Marathi was defined as the speech of Deshastha Brahmans and the like, spoken in and around the region of Poona.
  1. The publication has been in circulation since 1831 with several reprints in 1857, 1975, 1982, 1986, 1991, 1994, 1996, 2004, 2005
  2. Numerous other reasons - see next row
Bloch, Jules (1970), The formation of the Marāṭhī language, translated by Dev Raj Chanana, Motilal Banarsidass Publ, ISBN 9788120823228 The dictionary of Molesworth which is the work of a group of local scholars is the best available dictionary of any modern Indo-Aryan language.[5]

The 1831 Candy, et al work was very comprehensive and till now remains authoritative.[6]

From a reputed publishing house on Indology, builds on a plethora of other work, cited elsewhere, scholarly work, etc.
Ghagve, Balshastri; Phadke, Gangadharshastri; Joshi, Sakharam; Shukla, Dajishastri; Godbole, Parshurampant (1829), A Dictionary of the Maratha Language, Bombay: at the society's Press (In McDonald) "This is a dictionary...of the words which appear in the ordinary speech of Deshastha Brahmans and others living in the Maharashtra country" A product of the planned standardization of Marathi by the British Indian government
Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990), The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study, Rajhauns Vitaran, ISBN 9788185339788 {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help) "The pronunciation of the Dehsastha Rigvedi gains prominence"[7] See Bhālacandra Nemāḍe
McDonald, Ellen E. (1968), "The Modernizing of Communication: Vernacular Publishing in Nineteenth Century Maharashtra", Asian Survey, Vol. 8, No. 7, Modernization in South Asian Studies: Essays in a Changing Field In the first dictionary of the Marathi language of 1829, the authors are blunt in identifying that the social group whose speech formed the basis of their dictionary was the Deshastha Brahmans and others elites.[8] Well respected University of California, Berkley researcher; the dictionary itself is another product which is separate from Molesworth but it came from the same office overseeing the standardization of Marathi under the government of Bombay province.

Zuggernaut (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I have been busy in real life, so have been late in responding. My observations:

  1. Response to "Standard Marathi is used for official government purpose": Neither the Maharashtra government nor the central government (Anthropological Survey of India "Maharashtra" p. 10, Ministry of Culture [21]) say that "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi". Though both of them talk of variants, both of them DO NOT say that a certain Marathi is standard Marathi. This is surprising if "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi" was not a FRINGE theory.
  2. About the table:
    1. Ref 1: making a claim that Marathi spoken by a community is "standard" on basis of Marathi teachers of that community is WP:OR
    2. Ref 2: Nemade talks about some "they". Who are the "they"? Also, Nemade does NOT say at least in the quote that "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi", he only states that "they" chose it. Also Sahitya Akademi Awards are given for specific work(s) of the author. Did Nemade get it for this book?
    3. Ref 3: Some 1831 dictionary using a particular dialect as its standard does not make that dialect is an universally-accepted standard. This reference may not reflect the current standard of Marathi. Books like Marathi p. xliv (1997) by linguist Rajeshwari Vijay Pandharipande and Marathi: Introduction chapter (2009) by Ramesh V. Dhongde, who has also authored Oxford English-Marathi Dictionary, do not say that "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi". Again such omissions question if this theory is not WP:FRINGE.
  3. Also Deshi = Marathi only spoken by Deshastha Brahmins is WP:OR. Deshi is a Marathi dialect spoken in the Desh, Deccan plateau in and around Pune. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:18, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
  4. In [22], Ramesh V. Dhongde pp. 11,139 are used as a reference for the theory. I could not find anything saying so on the pages. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The terms Deshastha and Deshastha Rigvedi have historically been used interchangeably by scholars. I will stick to Deshastha for brevity and uniformity. Reliable sources Dhongade & Wali clearly make this statement on page 1: Standard Marathi is the official language of Maharashtra.[23] Reliable sources Nemade (pages 98-101) and Candy et al (page Ten) clearly perform a detailed analysis and discussion of this mainstream, non-controversial and universally accepted view. Their exact statements are given in the table in [24]. The entire quote (answer to "they") is already provided in [25] Does a reliable source have to earn an award for every book for it to qualify as WP:RS? Incidentally, the award was in the same sub-genre that's being used here. He is very well qualified. For details of his qualification as a RS see the third column of the table in [26] The Desh argument was provided to help remind keeping the spirit of the argument in mind. I do not intend to include it in the article. You are welcome however to point out WP:OR or other flaws in that argument as it might be helpful in other distant articles. Candy et al is not some dictionary - it was commissioned by Mountstuart Elphinstone who was a scholar, wrote many books on India and a pioneered the standardization of the language and is still remembered and honored in Mumbai (amongst other things, there is a college named after him). It is easy to dismiss anything that doesn't fit a pre-determined POV as Fringe. I urge people involved in this conversation to be open to change their POVs and we can get out of this and continue work on other pages (I am working on Upanishads, Third Anglo-Maratha War - feel free to contribute there). The Standard Marathi viewpoint is such a non-controversial, universally accepted and mainstream viewpoint that most people don't even notice it in day to day life as is apparent in all newspapers and media all over Maharashtra (I don't intend to use this in the article but feel free to look at [27], [28], [29], [30]) Zuggernaut (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Mr. D'Souza & Zuggernaut, Numerically the Marathas were and are superior. However, when you are dealing with an era when most communities were forbidden to be literate, then the community which holds monopoly on learning, i.e. the brahmins, can influence what is the "standard speech". As to why Deshastha and not Kokanastha accent for the standard speech could be something to do with politics of early 1800s. I am just speculating here. As a deshastha myself, I can say that my relations from different parts of Maharashtra have different accents. Some of my distant rural deshastha relations speak in the same accent as their Maratha neighbours. But overall, our family, including our close Kokanastha relations, speak in the "standard accent". Well, this my two pennies worth to the debate. 74.9.96.122 (talk) 16:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Two reasons for that - amongst Brahmins, Deshastha were the most populous and Konkanastha have virtually no history in India prior to the 18th century. Upon arrival in India they spoke a different language, that language was affected by local Konkan dialects and when they finally arrived on the Desh, they adapted the language of Deshasthas though some nasalized usage is still prevalent. Zuggernaut (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Two different disputes are getting entangled here. My dispute with User:SpacemanSpiff involves use of derogatory [31] language and intimidation [32]so let's treat that separately from the content I would like to restore to Marathi, Pune and Maharashtra. I am creating a new section to focus on the discussion regarding whether the content is admissible.
The issue of allegations of use of derogatory language and intimidation is not to be discussed here. This is not the right page. We will focus on the disputed statement's insertion in Maharashtra (first as its talk page) then Marathi and Pune (I have not seen where exactly the disputed statement was added there) afterwards: 3 separate issues. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The statements removed from the Pune and Marathi articles were similar to the one here. Because of the similarity and keeping mind the spirit of the issues, we can club content related issues together. Zuggernaut (talk) 23:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Standard Marathi dialect dispute

Content I would like to include in Marathi (lead), Maharashtra and Pune:

I am proposing that we follow this 4 step process to bring this to closure.

  1. Reliability of sources. Clearly agree or disagree which sources fit WP:RS
  2. Do the RS' support the content? Analyze content from the RS' to conclude whether it supports the statemet or not
  3. Whether there is a WP:SYN violation when the two statements are juxtaposed.
  4. Agree on whether the statement should be included in the articles as proposed or whether modifications are required.

Step 1 - Reliability of sources

  • Nemade is a RS because of the reasons cited in the table in Talk:Maharashtra#Sources section. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Candy et al are RS because they are a dictionary of long standing repute (reprints spanning almost 200 years), they were originally commissioned by the government as part of an effort in the standardization of Marathi so the British administration could govern the province. Participants in composition of the dictionary were people from various cross-sections of society including Deshastha and Konkanastha Brahmins. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Source Zuggernaut Redtigerxyz Deepak D'souza Other users, add columns
Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990). The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study. Rajhauns Vitaran Yes, this is a RS ? ? ?
Candy, Thomas; Candy, George; Kalelkar, Narayan Govind; Molesworth, James Thomas (1975), Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary, Nirali Prakashan Yes, this is a RS ? ? ?
Dhoṅgaḍe, Rameśa; Wali, Kashi (2009). "Marathi". London Oriental and African language library (John Benjamins Publishing Company) Yes, this is a RS ? ? ?

Step 2 - Do the RS' support the statements?

  • Nemade supports the content because he says:

This is a part of the detailed discussion Nemade gives on pages 98-101 (section 4.4) about the six different factors that influenced the standardization of Marathi. Zuggernaut (talk) 18:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

  • Candy et al also support the statement because they clearly state[33]:
User Nemade Candy et al
Zuggernaut Yes, Nemade supports statements Yes, Candy et all support statement
Deepak D'Souza Example Example
Redtigerxyz Example Example
Other users Example Example
Other users Example Example

Step 3 - issues

  • "Standard Marathi is the official language of Maharashtra." Though the reference is a RS, for official language usage - government sites are the best RS as the government decides what is an official language. They use "Marathi".
IMO, the Dhongade & Wali reference serves the purpose.[34] I understand your POV but I think Dhongade & Wali is just as good a reference as any. Zuggernaut (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Please see references in Languages with official status in India like the Constitution of India that give "Marathi" (not standard Marathi) the status of official language.--Redtigerxyz Talk 06:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
There are several dialects of Marathi such as Ahirani, Dangi, Samavedi, Khandeshi, Standard Marathi, Warhadi, etc. Standard Marathi has become the de facto dialect and hence any reference to just Marathi defaults to Standard Marathi. This is still unchallenged on [35] the Marathi page "Standard Marathi is based on dialects used by academics and the print media, and is influenced by the educated élite of the Pune region." Zuggernaut (talk) 15:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
  • "Standard Marathi is defined as the language that is spoken by the Deshastha Brahmins of Pune. Standard Marathi is the official language of Maharashtra [4]" is WP:SYN as Ref [4] Dhongade does not define Standard Marathi "as the language that is spoken by the Deshastha Brahmins of Pune."
You are right - Dhongade & Wali don't say that. That's why we have to evaluate if it's WP:SYN to juxtapose the two statements. Zuggernaut (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
It is SYN as the following definition: "If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be a synthesis of published material to advance a new position, which is original research."--Redtigerxyz Talk 06:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I agree with this. We can now just focus on the first statement. "Standard Marathi is defined as the language that is spoken by the Deshastha Brahmins of Pune." Zuggernaut (talk) 15:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Parulekar Khanolkar ref is an instance of WP:SYN again.
It' not WP:SYN, it's WP:OR (since we have to interpret the tabular data of castes) so we'll have to leave it out. Zuggernaut (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Parulekar Khanolkar ref was a ref to part A. Anyway, it is OR. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
  • The theory of Nemade is a WP:FRINGE as not universally accepted or noted (not mainstream view). If it was an universal, popular, notable view, why is it not mentioned by government sites and most scholarly books that refer to Marathi in the context of Maharashtra? Why only 2-3 references (a characteristic of a FRINGE)? Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard (initiated Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Marathi) can be approached for validation of this postulate. (applicable to all 3 articles)
Nemade's is a RS and probably the best on the topic, his analysis is well researched, well analyzed and builds on other prominent researchers. Nemade's work has been cited by other scholars elsewhere. The theory is supported by the original government officials who set out to standardize Marathi (Mountstuart Elphinstone's team]). It's not a fringe theory as it is supported by independent sources, it's mainstream and it's universally accepted. The process of standardization is centuries old that's why it perhaps isn't a topic of discussion anymore (These videos illustrate that: [36], [37], [38], [39]) All newspaper media, TV news casters speak standard Marathi. All sources being quoted are RS par excellen

Status

This article is written in very very poor format.Novice editors are requested not to add any hoax material and make article is of no use.Most importantly do not remove maintenance tag.kind regards & Thank You. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 10:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Status of Nagpur

On November 11, Ugog Nizdast reversed a number of unsourced edits, which stated that Nagpur is the second or winter capital of Maharashtra. This is a plausible idea, given that the Nagpur Pact resulted in the state legislature holding "winter sessions" in Nagpur and a bench of the Bombay High Court being based there. I looked into this briefly and found some sources which appeared to support the idea, but Ugog has raised the issue with me. Having looked through various sources including books, news and government websites, I am in two minds about this issue. I agree with Ugog that there are mostly fleeting mentions, with very little of substance. On the other hand there do seem to be a significant number of mentions, so it cannot be dismissed so easily. Amongst the sources are several government websites such as Income Tax Department, Press Information Bureau, Maharashtra Prathamik Shikshan Parishad, Governance Knowledge Centre, Maharashtra Tourism, Public Health Department, page 6 of this Meteorological Dept. paper, National Institute of Miners Health, Accountants General, Nagpur, Indian Railways, Geological Survey. There are also some books with mentions such as Land and People of Indian States and Union Territories, Buddhism and Dalits, Industrial Area and Regional Resources. However, there does not seem to be any mention in the Maharashtra state government website (i.e. maharashtra.gov.in) apart from a tender for computerized embroidery machinery, whilst the legislature does not appear to have a website. Thus, I am inclined to treat the idea of Nagpur as a second/winter capital as being a common but unofficial designation. Any ideas or other sources? Green Giant (talk) 22:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Good job in digging up all this. Unless anyone has any better ideas, I think we should remove this from the infobox and make a mention of it in the article instead, since we can't confirm it being the official position. Plenty of sources mentioning it, nothing elaborating in its actual position but enough to indicate it being common/popular. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, feel free to do that because I think it is probably the best course of action. Green Giant (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Farmer's Suicide

There is no mention of farmer's suicide (especially in the Vidarbha region) in this article. So this article does not paint a true picture of Maharashtra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.65.66 (talk) 22:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

So find a ref to support this argument and add it to the article, wikipedia is only made up of what ppl like us put into it. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 01:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Article has more to explore rather than depicting farmer's suicide and daily news happening around. Bring some strong reference for such claim. Thanks--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 18:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

History

See the sentence in "History" beginning with: "After the break-up of the Bahamani sultanate, in 1518, Maharashtra split". The two commas leave the meaning ambiguous. Did the break-up occur in 1518, before the split? Or did the split occur in 1518, after the break-up? Or did both events take place consecutively in 1518? Please clarify. Folklore1 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The break-up occurred in 1518. Please ignore that comma between sultanate and in. I don't know how it came.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 14:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I removed the comma.Folklore1 (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Expansion

Hi, wikipedians. I've done a large change in this particular article. I request you to all please please do not revert any edit, as i'm in process of adding more contents with references, correct citation and etc. Thanks for your co-operation. Kind regards. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 17:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Is the expansion finished now? Folklore1 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I have done it.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 18:29, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Geography

See the sentence: "Physical features of Maharsahtra divided into Deccan plateau, which is separated from the Konkan coastline by 'Ghats'." I was unable to copy edit this sentence, because I do not understand it. Do the physical features divide the plateau, or is the plateau one of the physical divisions of Maharsahtra? Folklore1 (talk) 14:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, actually Deccan plateau is the physical divisions of Maharashtra. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 14:54, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

This is still unclear to me, as I am unfamiliar with the geography of India. So I am going to leave it to you to revise this sentence. While the article has a "GOCE effort" tag, it's okay for other editors to apply changes. When I'm working on more detailed edits, I will hang a GOCE "on hold" tag (displaying a clock) to indicate that I want people to wait until I am finished. Folklore1 (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

It means Maharashtra is divided into certain regions and Deccan plateau is one of them. Hope it helps. Let me know if it's still confusing.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 18:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I revised the sentence. Folklore1 (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Biodiversity

See the sentence beginning with "The flora of regions such as Nag region". I do not understand it. Please clarify. Folklore1 (talk) 15:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not Nag, it was basically Nagpur region. The sentence is The flora of regions formed by.... While modifying sentence I guess I forgot to remove it.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 18:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The following sentence was copied exactly from the referenced source: "Maharashtra is said to have 3 game reserves, 5 national parks and 24 bird sanctuaries." Does Maharashtra actually have that many game reserves, national parks and bird sanctuaries? The wording of the source material causes me to wonder if the author is just guessing. Folklore1 (talk) 16:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

There are 3 game reserves viz. Tadoba-Andhari Tiger Reserve, Pench Tiger Reserve and Melghat Tiger reserve. Meanwhile there are more national parks and bird centuries than mentioned. Actually wasn't able to write it in better way so just copied and pasted.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 18:36, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I revised the sentence. Folklore1 (talk) 20:42, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Cuisine

See the sentence containing: "offering their food first to the lord". What does "lord" refer to? Is this the lord of the castle, lord of the house, or a deity? In monotheistic faiths, an uppercase "Lord" refers to the singular god of that faith. Folklore1 (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Here in India, it refers to God (Hindu pantheon).--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 19:52, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I put "the lord" in quotes. The source used lowercase, so I will keep it lowercase here. Folklore1 (talk) 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

That's nice.Please notify me once you done with copy editing.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 05:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Folklore1:I have added 3-4 sentences in Media section. Please see if it needs any grammar attention.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 06:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I replaced an ampersand with "and". Folklore1 (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Excellent--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 04:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Economy and political parties

Can anyone explain why sourced information on rural economy of Maharashtra and the cooperative sector's contribution to it is immature ? Ditto for political parties. Mr. 25 cent, please do not assume that you are writing for the tourist board or 4th grade geography chapter. If you want the article to achieve GA status then you will have to work by consensus and stop removing sourced information 12.111.55.194 (talk) 01:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

This particular article covers important and main encyclopediac contents. You can add detail information in Economy of Maharashtra. Government and administration must contain information about how state is being governed and how it's judiciary system works. You are adding political parties and reason of their split which is not require. Think by yourself. Check West Bengal and Karnataka both are FAs articles. It will clear your doubts. Thanks--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 06:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

For your information, in Maharashtra and in rest of India, political parties form the governments at various levels and the Bureaucrats report to the political bosses. That being so, it is absolutely necessary to have at least some mention of political parties. The West Bengal article mentions parties. Rural population still form the majority in the state and Cooperatives have played a huge role in that part of the economy. Why is even a cursory mention of that considered "immature" in your opinion ? As I said before, you are not writing this article for the tourism board. From our interaction on other articles, I understand your POV is to omit anything that can be considered negative. I am sure some people in Texas will sympathize with you . There some school boards are protesting against sections of high school curriculum that they think portrays USA in negative light ! As I said before, consensus is important if WE want to achieve GA for this article. That is why let us discuss politics, economy and other content here before we include it in the article. Thanks Jonathansammy (talk) 17:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I am ready to discuss whatever you want, as long as you don't take anything personally :-). Have mentioned parties here as well. But mentioning about why those parties broke their alliance is inappropriate (it'd would be better if we add it in UPA or NDA). Don't you think rural population role in economy comes under agriculture? I don't get the term Cooperatives? Let me know what do you mean by it. Besides if you add everything in economy section, what is the point having main article Economy of Maharashtra? Made a peer review and took several important suggestion (do check). I add only those negative stuffs which is permanent and still happening, for example religious conflicts or terror attacks. If you want me to add day to day events like minister resign, political party split, derogatory speech given by a leader and etc. I can't do that. By the way I would've been so happy if you had mentioned Phoenix instead of Texas. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 19:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
The political situation at present moment is fluid but that should not stop us from mentioning the parties that have been or are active in Maharashtra. Cooperatives are or have played a prominent part in the rural economy of Maharashtra[40]. Cooperative is a Mutual society where small farmers are also part owner of the organization ( Sugar mill or Dairy) that buys, processes and sells the produce. There are tons of primary and secodary references available where you can find more information on the topic.Jonathansammy (talk) 00:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't have anything against mentioning the politics briefly but this article is supposed to be comprehensive, mentioning the most recent political turmoil reminds me of WP:Recentism and WP:NOTNEWS. They are more relevant in the Politics of Maharashtra page but mentioning just which parties are present here should be enough for the "History section". The other para on economics I've yet to form an opinion on. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
PS: Politics of Maharashtra is just a short stub right now and there's plenty of room for expansion documenting this turmoil and the previous political history if anyone is interested. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

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Will have this to you within 48 hours ☯ Jaguar ☯ 14:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. Has an appropriate reference section:
    B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
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Initial comments

  • Be careful of WP:OVERLINKING in the lead section. Cutting down on a few wouldn't hurt
  • "Places such as Pune, Satara and the surrounding area have many historical places associated with the Maratha Empire to visit" - I would cut or reword this, it almost sounds like an order and doesn't seem necessary if they aren't essential to the article
  • "The state is also dotted with caves from ancient Buddhist, Jain and Hindu times" - aren't caves prehistoric? Sounds like they were 'constructed' in those times given
  • "with large cities besides Mumbai such as Navi Mumbai, Pune, Nagpur, Nashik, Aurangabad, Kolhapur, Thane, Solapur, Amravati, Satara, Sangli and Nanded" - too long and listy! A few of the most important ones should be mentioned
  • For an article of this size and its significance, the lead could summarise the article better. Currently the lead is too 'listy' and could include more content on what Maharashtra's culture, history and geography is. I tend to follow the rule that the lead should act as a "mini article" and should summarise almost every section in the article
  • " as "one of the 4 great kings of the world"" - four
  • "Nagpur, which is the subcapital of the state" - "subcapital" is not a word or article
  • All the measurements in the Geography and climate section are in metric only, so they need to be converted to imperial using a conversion template per guidelines
  • "Sahyadri range, with an elevation of 1000 meters" - Indian English is 'metres', is it not?
  • The last paragraph in the Geography and climate section is vastly unreferenced
  • More overlinking in the Biodiversity section and less prose. I think to pass the GA criteria there needs to be more content here
  • "The state's six (seventh will be Nanded division operational from 23 February 2015 comprising 4 districts" - four
  • "The literacy rate rose to 83.2%. Of this, male literacy stood at 89.82% and female literacy 75.48%" - when were these stats recorded? Are the outdated?
  • " with the Pune Metropolitan area being the leading IT hub in the state.." - needs one full stop
  • "Important Cash crops include Sugarcane, cotton , oilseeds, tobacco, various kind of fruit" - should cash crops and sugarcane be capitalised? And "various kind of fruit" would sound more encyclopaedic as just "various fruit"
  • "(31–37 mi/h)" - mph
  • Education and social development section needs more references. The first paragraph is unreferenced
  • "Among seafood, the most popular fish is bombil or the Bombay duck, which is normally served batter fried and crisp." - is this important?
  • Literature section is a concern here, it is more of a list with almost no prose. The names could be cut back and more details added

References

Close - not listed

I'm sorry to do this, seeing as you had to wait a while for this to be reviewed, but in its current state the article cannot pass the GAN without a substantial group effort to satisfy it. There are too many prose issues and dead links, along with some sections with almost no prose and just lists. I'm sure if all of the above could be addressed then this article would stand a better chance at the next GAN, but for now there is too much work to be done in seven days. Good luck ☯ Jaguar ☯ 18:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

culture

Who has pulled the a dick move of showing misal under the culture of maharashtra ? There are proper sampurna maharashtrian theories that need to be substituted there. Includes Puranpolee, modak, amti, bhat, bhaji, koshimbir, chutney, loncha, kurdai etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 54.240.196.185 (talk) 23:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Only encyclopedia contents are mentioned here. For detail knowledge refer main article. Thanks. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 12:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean only encyclopedia ? Which encyclopedia ? There are articles on wikipedia itself about maharashtrian dishes. Next time I complain, I am going to take this higher. I will give you a chance to verify and create proper entries for maharashtrian food. Misal is a street-food, not for eating every day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.135.197 (talk) 05:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Make In Maharashtra merger

I don't see how this page can be merged here, that would be WP:UNDUE focus. I think at most, a statement mentioning this can be added here and linking to it. The separate article is fine as it is. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree with Ugog Nizdast. Probably Make in India could be better candidate for merger into.--Redtigerxyz Talk 18:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Monarchy of NeilN

Why Mr. NeilN probably a foreigner is so obssessed for deleting the marathi scripted Maharashtra from the initial sentence, Maharashtra is a Marathi State but still NeilN has revived his monarchy of reverts under various roofs of rules which are surely important but interpreted by NeilN in his own way Sarita Narvekar (talk) 12:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

You are well aware of WP:INDICSCRIPT, either at this account or any of your possible past ones. --NeilN talk to me 13:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Cuisine

I believe Misal pav is not good representative of Maharashtrian cuisine. I believe a picture of thalpith, Pohe or Puranpoli would be a better representative. Please comment. Jonathansammy (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

@Jonathansammy: yes, you are right. I think Puran Poli would be better representative. Misal Pav is mainly famous in Mumbai city. It can be representative of Mumbai city, but as far as entire Maharashtra is concerned I think Puran Poli/Pohe are better options. But I don't agree with Thalipith. I support Pohe.--Human3015TALK  17:44, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Misal pav : Kolhapur, Vada pav : Mumbai, Sheera and Pohe : Pune.
How about a collage for Maharashtra? But don't rush in making one. Write the prose first and then decide based on the supported text. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:16, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Sea food preparations such as Bombil fry too don't forget. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I have removed image of Misal pav reinstated by another user. Let us discuss this further before adding an image. I like the concept of a collage but do not know how to put it together. The collage can include all the items discussed above. Anything that includes pav or baked bread Bun is not traditional Maharashtrian. I do not know any Marathi household that bakes their own bread ! On the other hand, puranpoli and pohe are either festival staple or everyday staple respectively. Zunka bhakar from rural Maharashtra may also be a good addition. Now I will speak with a forked tongue. Is cuisine of Maharashtra synonymous with cuisine of Marathi people ? Afterall, Maharashtra is an urbanized cosmopolitan state. Please weigh in on these issues before we come to a conclusion . Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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'Healthcare' section is too long for my browser. Please add Rajiv Gandhi Jeevandayee Arogya Yojana after words "social welfare programs funded by the government" with this ref[10]. Thanks. AbhiRiksh (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Parulekar & Khanolkar, p. 262.
  2. ^ a b Nemāḍe 1990, pp. 90–101, 139. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFNemāḍe1990 (help)
  3. ^ a b Candy et al. 1975, p. Ten.
  4. ^ Nemāḍe 1990, pp. 101. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFNemāḍe1990 (help)
  5. ^ Bloch 1970, p. 38.
  6. ^ Bloch 1970, p. Foreword.
  7. ^ Nemāḍe 1990, p. 139. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFNemāḍe1990 (help)
  8. ^ McDonald 1968, pp. 589–606.
  9. ^ Dhongade & Wali 2009, p. 1.
  10. ^ "Sonia Gandhi to roll out health scheme". Daily News and Analysis. 20 November 2013. Retrieved 17 January 2016.

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Montage

Four out of five images in the infobox are either of places in Mumbai or nearby. To the uninitiated this can give the impression of there being nothing of significance outside Mumbai. I believe this topic needs serious discussion. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

You sure got a point there. Why not do some image hunting at the Commons for some good candidates to put in the montage? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:29, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Here are a few images of Unesco world heritage sites in Maharashtra. We can keep some of the images of the modern structures. But it is important to have iumages from other parts of the state. Thanks.

  • Stone carved pillar at Kailash temple
    Stone carved pillar at Kailash temple
  • View from Varandha Pass showing the numerous waterfalls
    View from Varandha Pass showing the numerous waterfalls
  • Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus
    Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus
  • Paintings of Padmapani
    Paintings of Padmapani
  • and Vajrapani on either side of the Buddha in Cave 1 at Ajanta
    and Vajrapani on either side of the Buddha in Cave 1 at Ajanta

Jonathansammy (talk) 23:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done Added a hillstation too along with Elephanta Caves. Maharashtrian temples and Shivaji are other possible candidates, but being very controversial/religious, I've purposely left them out. No doubt, someone in future might try to add them. What do you think? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 02:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Good job. Can we change the Matheran picture with this one ? It includes British era hill station Mahabaleshwar and Shivaji era fort of Pratapgad in one picture. You can include mention of Sahyadri range of western ghats in your caption. Since Western ghats are part of Unesco world sites, we can kill multiple birds with this picture.

Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done reword the caption if necessary. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I've removed the CST pic because the montage is way too large now and anycase we agree that there's too much focus on Mumbai. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 20:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Ugog, I see that the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (Victoria Terminus(VT) image has been removed. I thought that VT was a better representation than the Gateway of India. The former is on the Unesco world heritage but the latter is not. Also, I am not sure about having two rock cut temple / caves there. We can either keep Ellora or Elephanta there but not both. That place can be given to a place from other areas of Maharashtra. Let me know your thoughts on this matter.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi. You can go ahead and add it back but preferably replace it; it's way too big for a montage. I've lost interest in it after reading WP:IG, quite frankly, I have a counter proposal, why not just revert back to one image? re-distribute the remaining Sites throughout the article where pertinent? (thanks to you I've just learnt that this state has the most such sites) Ugog Nizdast (talk) 23:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Jejuri, temple of Khandoba, the most popular Kuladaivat in Maharashtra.
Non-Mumbai centric image of Jejuri can be used somewhere along with prose. The image is also a Valued image on Commons. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

General

I've going to do a cleanup of all the images that are cluttered here. My criteria is based on MOS:IMAGES, text 'sandwiches' between two images are to be avoided, images not discussed much in the article will be removed. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 20:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Regions of Maharashtra

In the news, I frequently hear about only Konkan, Marathwada and Vidarbha. But these 3 regions don't include all the districts. Nandurbar, Dhule and Jalgaon district region is known as Khandesh (and the sidebar mentions it), but the IMD and national media doesn't recognize it at all. They talk about 'Madhya Maharashtra' and sometime 'north-west Maharashtra', but it seems nobody knows which districts fall in which of these two regions. Has 'Khandesh' name become outdated? I think this article should mention these problems. AbhiRiksh (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Maratha Navy

Currently the naval arm of the Marathas has no mention at all, which certainly deserves a mention. Hence I am adding it (under History). Kindly do not make changes without discussing on talk page.

Amit20081980 (talk) 18:05, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Mention of Maratha Navy on Andaman needs to go until more references are found. The article loses credibility when dubious information like this is added. Your sentence before Andaman says, "Maratha navy dominated the coastline from Mumbai to Sawantwadi ( 200-250 miles ?) Compare that with going over the other side of the peninsular India and many hundreds of miles further east in the Bay of Bengal. I hope you get my point. Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Land and Water Disputes with neighboring states

Interstate Border Disputes with Telangana State: 14 villages in Jiwati taluk, 12 villages in Rajura taluk and 5 villages in Antapur of Chandrapur district are disputed with Telangana State. They are revenue villages of Marazoda, Anarpally, Lakampur, Ananthapur, Esagaon, Bolapathar, Gouri (D), Parandoli, Paraswada, Arkepally (D), Karanjiwada, Kota, Mukadamguda, Maharajguda, Lendijala, Lendiguda, Indiranagar, Yesapur, Narayanguda, Shankarloddi, Padmavathi and Janakpur, etc. sharing border with Adilabad District of Telangana, which has laid claim on these areas. [1] [2] [3]

Interstate Border Disputes with Karnataka State: Belgaum border dispute: Since the 1960s when the border row first began, the Maharashtra legislature has passed at least 18 resolutions against the Karnataka government, calling its actions to crack down upon Marathi-speaking institutes and people in Belgaum illegal and unjust. [4]

Water disputes with Telangana State: Pranahita Chevella lift irrigation scheme which is a project not in the interest of Maharashtra. Maharashtra will be losing about 2123.4 hectares of land (which is severely under reported by print media at 1500 Ha or even less) [5]

The Telangana State Irrigation project Icchampally Project which is a project not in the interest of Maharashtra. Maharashtra will be losing 33,614 hectares of land which is more than 100 villages. [1] [2] [3]

Shivaji Maharaj's History distorted On July,17 of 2015, the Hindu Janjagruti Samiti (HJS) said it would step up its protest against the Telangana government for “distorting” history and teaching chapters covering “fake” incidents on Maratha King Chhatrapati Shivaji in a state textbook. The HJS has taken exception to the chapter named The Lost Casket in Class VI text book Our world through English. [6]


hi, I believe the above information belongs to the Article on Maharashtra rather than history of Maharashtra. Let me know if you have suggestions / comments for adding it to the Maharashtra article. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

For reference, you mean this is from the Chronology of statehood of Maharashtra.
As you've presented, its way too much details for a summary style article. It should be like how the Karnataka dispute is presented currently on the History section: one-sentence. Beware of WP:RECENTISM. We could go on the grounds of saying it like that "It also has a border and water dispute with Telangana", if needed mention the excessive list-like details of villages in an explanatory note. The last one about Shivaji, I'm very reluctant of its inclusion at all due to concerns of NOTNEWS--does it have any long-lasting notability? Why is that blog used as ref (for water dispute)? Even further details of this would (justifying a separate section) would fit in History of Maharashtra. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I got rid of this from the article on History of Maharashtra because i do not believe it belongs there. I just put it here so that we can have discussion as to whether some part of it can be incorporated in the article on Maharashtra. It certainly does not belong to the history page. Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 17:37, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm more concerned about the level of details/weight as I've mentioned above. This would fall under "Present" or something under history or we could make a separate subsection but I doubt they should get an entire section devoted to Disputes--given per my previous post. Then what do you suggest, where do we put it here if is doesn't belong to history?...not in that page, implies not in this page's History section as well. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b "Inter-State row impacts 12 border villages". The Hindu. 2015-03-29. Retrieved 2016-02-27.
  2. ^ a b "Andhra Pradesh News : Vote may decide fate of 12 border villages". The Hindu. 2004-04-14. Retrieved 2016-02-27.
  3. ^ a b "Maharashtra will try to retain 14 villages bordering Telangana". Articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com. Retrieved 2016-02-27.
  4. ^ "Karnataka's anti-Maharashtra stand continues in Belgaum: Shiv Sena". Firstpost.com. Retrieved 2016-02-27.
  5. ^ "Pranahita-Chevella Project: Gargantuan Project with Gargantuan Violations | SANDRP". Sandrp.wordpress.com. 2015-01-10. Retrieved 2016-02-27.
  6. ^ Tare, Kiran (2015-07-17). "Telangana Government under Fire for 'Distorting' Shivaji History". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 2016-02-27.

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Images for Tourism section

Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station
Sai Baba's Temple in Shirdi
Damaged brown painting of a reclining man and woman.
Paintings at the Ajanta Caves in Aurangabad, Maharashtra, 6th century

What images we should at tourism section of maharashtra Wikipedia page?

Please suggest me Bk kartik21 (talk) 08:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Since we mention Mumbai, Aurangabad, and Shirdi in the section, we can include Chhatrapati Shivaji terminus, the Sai baba temple and perhaps an Ajantha painting.Let us see whether other editors have any preferences too.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj:

Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj: I request you to add one picture of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj because he is more than a god for all Maharashtrians and whole world better knows him. So do these cahnges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivpootra (talk • contribs) 09:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

No.

Lede

Hello, I think this sentence in the lede is inaccurate: "Ancient and medieval Maharashtra was chronologically ruled by the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas, Deccan sultanates, Mughals and Marathas." The Mughals and the Marathas ruled during the early modern period of Indian history?

Also, "Pune is its cultural capital." seems to be too bold a claim without references. It is considered so by many, however, the claim is not uniquely made by Pune. I found websites where Satara and Kolhapur among others have claimed the title. In any case, it's not official. Thoughts? Berlindian (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Berlindian,how about,"Prior to the Indian independence,Maharashtra has been chronologically ruled by the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas,Seuna,Deccan sultanates,Mughals,Marathas and the British"? This allows us to get away from the debate about the onset of early modern period in india.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Perfect. I will make the change. I hope the chronology is correct. Berlindian (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes,it is mostly correct.I have added Bahamani sultanate to the sentence.I omitted the Delhi based Khiljis who overthrew the Seuna. They ruled for a brief period before the founder of the Bahamani sultanate broke away from the Khiljis. The new sentence should be:

Areas that form the present day state of Maharashtra have been part of various kingdoms and empires during the last two millenia. In chronological order, these include the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas,Seuna,Bahamani Sultanate,Deccan sultanates,Mughals,Marathas and the British raj.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Adding central and southern to opening line.

Currently Maharashtra is mentioned as "western peninsular region of India" in opening line of this article. But by geography Maharashtra also in southern and central India and many websites said so. I think it will be best if you change opening line to "western, central and southern India" so you can directly state it.

  1. According to many government sources. for example Government Cultural Zones of India, Maharashtra is considered as part of both of South Central zone and West Culture zones.
  2. According to Zones and divisions of Indian Railways most of the Maharashtra falls in the Central Railway, South Central Railway and South Western Railway.
  3. Many newspapers : for example: around the Great Indian Bustard Sanctuary in Nannaj, Maharashtra in south-central India https://phys.org/news/2016-03-micro-sanctuaries-key-survival-wildlife-human-dominated.html
  4. In British times more than half of Maharashtra is in Central Provinces and Hyderabad State.
  5. Indian classic definition of south India is south of Vidharbha and Deccan means southern, Maharashtra is in Deccan and south of Vindhya.
  6. Britannica encyclopedia: many people said that the opening line of currently of Maharashtra is based on Britannica encyclopedia. But its just from one article of Britannica. Other articles and books of Britannica are also saying different.
    1. [book on geography] Central India generally corresponds to the northern portion of peninsular India. Mumbai is capital of Maharashtra state, southwestern India.
    2. Britannica article on Mumbai says Maharashtra is southwestern state. https://www.britannica.com/place/Mumbai
    3. Britannica Kids article of Maharashtra said it is west-central. https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/Maharashtra/328879
    4. Marathi language is of western and central India. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Marathi-language
    5. Britannica said that Gondwana is only central India, and some part of Maharashtra is Gondwana. https://www.britannica.com/place/Gondwana-historical-region-India
  7. South Maharashtra is in southwestern India and Vidharbha is in Central India. Nagpur and Vidharbha is always called central India and many cities are called southwestern.
  8. Maharashtra falls almost on same longitude as Telangana and almost same latitude as Madhya Pradesh.
  9. Karnataka, Kerala Telangana, Andhra Pradesh, Chhattisgarh are mentioned with more than one directions in their articles. So Maharashtra can also mentioned with more than one direction.

So I think stating is just western will be wrong. You should change to "western, central and southern India". BelgaumGoan (talk) 13:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it's fine as it is, and describing as "western, central and southern" could even be confusing. You can't assume every reader of this article will have a basic understanding of Indian geography, and without such understanding a statement which almost seems to place Maharashtra in three places at once might seem odd without additional context, which fuller explanations in the article body can provide. I think you are fixating over an unimportant phrase when all the aspects you are concerned about are more easily and sensibly covered in the article body. Incidentally, how many places do you intend to WP:FORUMSHOP this to in the hope of eventually getting the answer you want? -- Begoon 21:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I think it's more confusing to write western peninsular region of India occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateau if you can write western, central and southern India instead. And it's more clear to write southern and central rather than writing peninsular and Deccan and assume that reader knows it mean south and central (many readers don't know even meaning of Deccan, it's Sanskrit, not English). Many more sources are using central and southern than peninsular and Deccan. Across Wikipedia, most of the articles about places don't have such long description of the geography in opening sentence, they just have that which direction of the country or continent it is. Many places (Indian and foreign) have multiple directions including Maharashtra.
Yes I talked to many users about it before. Many users have told me to go to discuss at the Maharashtra talk page so I did. Am not trying to disrupt. BelgaumGoan (talk) 00:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan: You should really let go of this. I already told you that the lead sentence western peninsular region of India occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateau already covers western, southern and central India. If you want you can add govt. definition under administrative header which has been agreed upon in the WP:IN thread. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
The end of discussion on your talk, you also said I should add discussion to Maharashtra talk page, also other users said that. So I just did that. BelgaumGoan (talk) 01:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan: I forgot lol. I just want to say that this current sentence is OK. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Junnar

Paithan was the capital not Junnar. Is there a reference to the fact that Junnar was capital for Satavahana Empire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.185.212.35 (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2020

Please remove 

Maharashtra is the most industrialised state in India while state capital Mumbai is India's biggest financial and commercial capital.

and add 

Maharashtra is the most industrialised state in India, and the state capital, Mumbai, is India's biggest financial and commercial capital.

It just sounds more natural, more fluent, than the wording that's currently in the article. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:2C8A:AB39:C6BE:2DEB (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done Prolix 💬 18:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Isn't English co-official/additional?

The 1964 Act establishes Marathi as the official language of the State of Maharashtra, but never phased out English, explicitly stating that English should be used by the Legislatures for all correspondence, along with an acceptable Marathi translation. Part XVII of the Constitution of India also mandates English as the official language of all Indian States and UTs. Wouldn't that technically make English a co-official, additional language of the State of Maharashtra, considering even Government forms, portals and websites have English versions? -- friendlyneighborhoodanon 15:57, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Marathi is the official language of the State. But as you said, English is also used commonly even if it is neither Official nor Co-official. SpiritVonAdam (talk) 04:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding Marathi as demonym

Hello, Fylindfotberserk and others. I feel Marathi should be added under the demonym section of the infobox as the instruction - Please do not change this to 'Marathi', since that is an ethnicity. Other Maharashtrian ethnicities include Konkani people, Gondi people, Khandeshi people, etc. - mentioned in the infobox seems invalid because the state of Karnataka too has people of other ethnicities like Konkani people, Kodava people, Tulu people, Beary people which are native to Karnataka but its page still says Kannadiga under the demonym. Therefore, Marathi should be added under the demonym section of the infobox on this page.

Prat1212 (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Prat1212: I'm OK with putting "Marathi" along with "Maharashtrian" in the article, however it might be a redundant thing to do since Maharashtrian article also mean Marathi as a people. That being said, I'm pinging @Jonathansammy and Acharya63: for suggestion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I am also OK either way, and I agree with Fylindfotberserk that it is redundant. Thanks Acharya63 (talk) 04:38, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
No need to put Marathi there. I Agree with Acharya63 and Fylindfotberserk that it is redundant. In fact, I don't even like having the demonym line in the Infobox given that Maharashtra and many other states and countries are so heterogeneous these days. The term Maharashtrian is OK for Marathi people but difficult to apply to people from other parts of India who have settled in the region recently or even more than a century ago. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Acharya63 and Jonathansammy for your valuable inputs. I agree that demonym parm is kinda useless these days. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

The infoboxes of Karanataka, Gujarat, West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Telengana have the terms Kannadiga, Gujarati, Bengali, Telugu respectively in the demonym section. These terms, in case of those respective states 'are difficult to apply to people from other parts of India who have settled in the region recently or even more than a century ago', as noted by User:Jonathansammy in case of Maharashtra. People from all over India have migrated to all these states and settled there in huge numbers. So what about them and these states? And mind you, Kannadiga, Gujarati, Bengali, Telugu too are ethnicities, just like Marathi and hence, the instruction mentioned in the infobox about not adding Marathi as demonym is pretty useless. So, what are those terms doing in the demonym sections of those states? You either delete those demonyms, or the demonym sections altogether or add Marathi to the demonym section of Maharashtra. You can't have it both ways, to be frank. And as User:Fylindfotberserk pointed out that 'Maharashtrian article also means Marathi as people', it doesn't exclusively refer to the Marathi people instead says that 'something related to Maharashtra, Marathi people, Marathi language'.  Also, you both, and User:Acharya63, have totally ignored the argument that I presented while saying why Marathi should be added under the demonym section. I am tagging User:Dharmadhyaksha to lend his opinion regarding the matter. Prat1212 (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I only said that adding both terms, as you did in your edit is redundant, since the parameter is "demonym" (related to people) and the only mention of "people" in the disambiguation article Maharashtrian is Marathi people. Thanks for pinging Dharmadhyaksha. Pinging DBigXray. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

A quick google search of the meaning of 'demonym' will show you that it means 'a noun used to denote the natives or inhabitants of a particular country, state, city, etc.'. And if you, Fylindfotberserk, say that 'adding both terms, as you did in your edit is redundant, since the parameter is "demonym"', you might as well take a look at the pages of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana wherein two demonyms are mentioned, and it makes the adding of Telugu in their demonyms as redundant. And again, you have completely ignored the agruments that I have presented for why Marathi should be added in the demonym section. Prat1212 (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

You don't seem to get what I'm saying. IMO it is better to have only one term in the demonym parm. Secondly, a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group, eg. Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal, etc. You should also consider that Uttarakhandi, Biharis, Uttar Pradeshi, etc are not the names of an ethnic groups, these are demonyms used for natives of the Uttarakhand, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. You should check these state articles too for the sake of WP:NPOV. They do not have Awadhi, Kumanoni, Bhojpuri, etc as demonym. Ohh and as far "Kannadiga" is concerned, it is confusing since Tulu people are also native. Question is whether "Kannadaiga" is a demonym apart from being an ethnonym for Kannada speakers. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:12, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Rajasthani people and Chhhattisgarhi are also "demonyms". In my opinion, it is better to keep it as "Maharashtrian". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

The term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language, so it goes with your point about most of the state names being derived from the major linguistic group and another reason to add Marathi as a demonym. The five states that you mentioned- Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand- have Hindi or Hindi dialects as their major language(also most of these dialects, as per National census, fall under Hindi) and Hindi as official state language. So it makes quite the sense to have separate state names than deriving one from the term Hindi as that would have been difficult for all the above mentioned states to derive different names from the single term. In Maharashtra, Marathi is the major language, Marathi is the official state language, and hence Maharashtrian should be replaced by Marathi as a demonym or Marathi should be added in the demonym section. Also, your point is- it is better to keep a single demonym. But Andhra Pradesh and Telangana have two demonyms in their infoboxes. Anyway, so, in my opinion either Maharashtrian should be replaced by Marathi or Marathi should be added, keeping Maharashtrian too, as the demonym nonetheless. Prat1212 (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

By your logic all the "demonym" parms of Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand should be changed to "Hindavi". You should see that the demonyms of all these states are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names. It is true for states like Goa, Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland too or regions like Jammu. Do you think Goan or Jammuite are ethnic groups? The only problem is with southern Indian states and that is a much smaller standard to compare to. As in the case of Karnataka, "Kannadiga" is incorrect IMO since Tulus, a large minority also live thre natively. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Did you even understand why I said this- 'The five states that you mentioned- Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand- have Hindi or Hindi dialects as their major language(also most of these dialects, as per National census, fall under Hindi) and Hindi as official state language. So it makes quite the sense to have separate state names than deriving one from the term Hindi as that would have been difficult for all the above mentioned states to derive different names from the single term', in the first place? To make you understand that that's why those states have those respective terms as their demonyms. Those states couldn't derive the state names based on their major language as it was common for all, and hence different state names and hence different demonyms, which is quite logical. You got the interpretation so wrong here.

Further, you gave me examples of other states whose demonyms you said 'are NOT based on ethnolinguistic or language names'. So here is my point- 1) Nagaland gets its name from Naga People(also it doesn't have a demonym as there is a cluster of Naga Languages, though Naga suits as demonym which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 2) Manipur from Manipuri people(also the state doesn't have a demonym but its safe to call them Manipuris which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 3) Mizoram from Mizo people(also it doesn't have a demonym, but if Mizo is one then it is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 4) Assam got its name from Assamese people, and Assamese is its demonym(which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name) 5) Sikkim from Sikkimese people and the demonym is Sikkimese(which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name) So all the above demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names- while you quite clearly said they were NOT based on ethnolinguistic or language names.

Goa gets it name from many words which begin with Go and hence the term Goan is alright. And Jammu is a region, not a state, so your point of Jammu cannot be considered in the discussion.

As far as Karanataka is concerned, not only Tulu people but even Konkani people, Kodava people are major natives to the state. So, you seem to be agreeing to my point regarding Karanataka's demonym.

Anyway, and by mentioning your earlier point of 'demonyms being derived from state names' by giving example with different states names- Goa, Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland- you yourself are making a strong case for Marathi as a demonym, as I mentioned above how these states' demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names and also as I had mentioned in my earlier reply 'the term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language', it goes with your point about most of the state names being derived from the major linguistic group' and also with your other point (which actually works again in favour of Marathi as a demonym) where you mentioned "Demonyms of the states of Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland are based on respective state names instead of ethnolinguistic or language names" where in fact, the state names themselves were derived from major ethnolinguistic groups or language names and hence became the respective demonyms, which is just the point that you had mentioned "a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group"- this was your point in favour of the demonyms of states of Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal etc in your earlier replies.

So your point- "a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group, eg. Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal, etc" makes it a valid point in itself for keeping Marathi as a demonym because as mentioned earlier the term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language',

Your other point- "demonyms of all these states (Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand) are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names." This was because the language being common, they couldn't create different names from the single word and hence had to be satisfied with having demonyms based on their state names rather than language which as I had mentioned earlier was quite a logical thing done by them.

Your another point- "It [demonyms of all these states(Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhan) being based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names] is true for states like Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland too" is false because as mentioned in this reply of mine, all the above demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names. So, basically your mentioning of these North-Eastern states' demonyms works in favour of Marathi as a demonym.

And given all this, it is only fair to replace Maharashtrian with Marathi as a demonym or to add Marathi in the demonym section and we can put this matter to rest. Prat1212 (talk) 13:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

"demonyms of all these states (Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand) are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names." This was because the language being common, they couldn't create different names from the single word and hence had to be satisfied with having demonyms based on their state names rather than language which as I had mentioned earlier was quite a logical thing done by them. - Not a valid argument. The languages are not "common". Bhojpuri and Magahi of Bihar are very different than Maithili. Similarly, Awadhi, Khariboli from western UP are from different language families compared to Bhojpuri, that's spoken in eastern UP. Garwali and Kumaoni are not same languages either.
All these Sikkimese, Mizo, Naga, Manipur, etc are demonyms, there are a lot of minor ethno-linguistic groups that make up those states. Secondly, these names are not the trues names of specific communities even the larger ones. For example, in Sikkim, Nepali is the lingua franca and Nepalis are the largest ethnic group. In Manipur, Meitei are the dominant community. Nagaland and Mizoram has various tribes that speak different languages. I've lived in these states. Another, Arunachli, which is used colloquially for natives of Arunachal Pradesh is another.
I'm rather neutral in this issue but judging from "What other state articles term their demonyms", I'm inclined towards "Maharashtra" (also another term for Marathis), since the opposite is just a few southern Indian states that use majority ethnic names as demonyms. I'm saying ethnic group because Karnatak article uses "Kannadiga", the name of the ethic group rather than something derived from the language Kannada.
Finally I would like to say that comparing other articles in Wikipedia to justify one's POV is called Whataboutism. We are just regurgitating same points. What about bringing sources that specifically mention what should be the demonym for this article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Prat1212 If you insist on changes to the demonym then I would prefer having Maratha as demonym in addition to Maharashtrian. Historically,that was the word used to describe inhabitants of Maharashtra region irrespective of caste.It would be good to reclaim the word from its current narrow definition.I don't think it should be considered original research but let's discuss.ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 16:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for relocating your post. Actually I was writng and got an edit conflict. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


Fylindfotberserk, when I said common languages regarding Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand I meant that it is considered Hindi under National census as I had mentioned earlier. Why do you keep forgetting points? Anyway. And also, why do you have to always interpret the exact opposite things that I want to say? I think I'm pretty clear in what I say and you interpret it all wrong. Never mind. You have been contradicting a lot of your own statements and this discussion with you feels like a total waste.
And Jonathansammy, the word Maratha was used to describe Marathi people by foreigners, people from outside of the region which is present-day Maharashtra who didn't know the difference or were too lazy to write two different terms as Maratha has been a caste since way back and even then they were Marathi people. Would you rather believe what foreign invaders and outsiders had to say about Indian culture and more specifically here, about Marathis? That's ridiculous, siding with foreign historians while considering internal matters. Marathi as an ethnicity and Maratha as a caste have always been referred to as separately by Marathis and Marathas. Would be better if you didn't involve castes.
But seriously what's the problem in adding Marathi as demonym alongside Maharashtrian? Also, Maharashtrian is an anglicized version formed by non-Marathi people. In Marathi, while referring to something(except people) related to Maharashtra they say 'Maharashtriya', and not Maharashtrian. And in my edit I had only added Marathi to the already existing Maharashtrian. I hadn't replaced it. It is not false. So tell me? What exactly is the problem? Why not add Marathi to the already existing Maharashtrian in the demonym section? I hope it's not just to assert your authority since you have been Wikipedians for a longer period of time. Why not add Marathi to the demonym section and keep both the terms? What's the problem really?

Prat1212 (talk) 09:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

As I said, no reason regurgitating same points. Better to bring reliable sources that mention "Marathi" and/or "Maharashtrian" is the demonym for natives of Maharahtra. At the end of the day, Wikipedia needs reliable sources. We can discuss later whether to keep both or only one of the demonyms based on the sources as per WP:NPOV, etc. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Prat1212, The nationalist leader, Lokmanya Tilak, a Chitpavan Brahmin called his English language newspaper Mahratta.[1] I don't think he had the Maratha caste in his mind when he named the publication.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Prat1212, THe Shiv sena prefers Marathi Manus to describe Marathi people.I would not mind that. Just using Marathi as demonym seems incomplete.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm pinging @Sitush, Tamravidhir, DeluxeVegan, and DBigXray: for their inputs in this matter. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ James Campbell; Yiting Pan; Nina Baker (2 May 2017). Building Histories: the Proceedings of the Fourth Annual Construction History Society Conference: The Proceedings of the Fourth Annual Construction History Society Conference. Lulu.com. p. 29. ISBN 978-0-9928751-3-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

After completely wasting my time reading the arguments above. The first question I have for you guys is "Are you from Maharashtra?". Belonging from Maharashtra means your family's native place is in Maharashtra. If otherwise, I strongly suggest you guys that please don't fall into "our matters". Because if you don't know what native people of Maharashtra call themselves as, then you have no idea of our "Denonym". Whenever a Marathi person want to ask if another person is from Maharashtra. He says "Are you Marathi?". Without knowing our Culture and Denonyms. How can you "question" our Culture?

It is good if you're interested in our culture but if you're.... That doesn't mean you become a native! Straight to the point, if you are not a "native" of Maharashtra, i.e. If your native place don't fall in our Maharashtra. You have "no right" to "question" "Our Culture". We call ourselves Marathi and that's it! We don't need outsider's suggestion on what "Our Denonym" should be.

Jay Bhavani! Jay Shivaji! मराठी माणसाचा नाद नाही करायचा! SpiritVonAdam (talk) 04:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Another interesting fact for you outsider guys. I'm from Kokan. If you call me Kokani. Then you have to be "Marathi" first. Reason?

Well, Kokan, Khandesh, Vidharba, Gondia, Ghat, etc, etc.

Our Marathi lands are divided into sub-regions depending on the "Dialect" of "Marathi" spoken there.

In Kokan (which actually means Coast in English). We speak Kokani dialect(or Coastal dialect) of Marathi. In Khandesh, they speak another dialect. In Vidharba, they speak another dialect. In Gondia... Well, they speak Marathi way too fast lol

But? We are "Marathi" people.

I hope you understand me. But if you misinterpret me.... Well, I think it would be fair for me to report you. Yes, I'm serious. You can't just come into our province and tell us what "Our Denonym" should be. Mind your own business. Don't involve in our matters. SpiritVonAdam (talk) 05:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding Marathi as a denonym (Edit)

Well, we wanted to add our denonym but some people stalled it. First of all, Kokani, Gondia, Varhadi, etc. etc. are all Marathi.

Varhadi people speak Varhadi dialect of Marathi. Kokani people speak Kokani dialect of Marathi. Gondia people speak Gondia dialect of Marathi. For our tribal brothers, yes, they also use their tribe's language as well but they are no less than marathi. When speaking in public. A person from Gondia region will say he or she is from Maharashtra and is Marathi. You outsiders can't break us on that. For Hindi people. Guys, when you have to identify yourselves as a major ethnicity. You guys identify as "Hindi". They speak Rajasthani in Rajasthan, Bhojpuri in Bihar, etc. But please understand... At the end of the day, you all guys are "Hindi". You guys should not oppose this fact and we have nothing against you to be honest. When someone from Bihar arrives in our state. He or she calls themselves as Hindi instead of Bhojpuri. When we Kokani guys go somewhere, we say we are Marathi people from Maharashtra. So please understand, Marathi ethnicity is not only limited to one particular group. It is a major identity such as "Hindi". With this said, I sincerely believe you got what I wanted to say and I ask humbly to add our denonym in Wikipedia page. SpiritVonAdam (talk) 07:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Wrong info in Culture section

If your reading from Maharashtra, we know it's well known that Lugda or Lugde is the traditional cloth worn by womens Maharashtra and men use to ware Dhotar and Bandis. Who can some one write that Saree is traditional dress Of Maharashtra, it is not. Saree is North Indian dress. Look of the photos of women's from late 1890s or 1940 they wear Lugada not Saree, so change it Saree is not our dress.[1] Newton Euro (talk) 06:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.holidify.com/pages/maharashtra-dresses-144.html

State animal

S.A. of our state is Shekaru, it is a like a goat. Add it in the infobox. Newton Euro (talk) 06:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest Cities of Maharashtra"

Template:Largest Cities of Maharashtra has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Move photograph of Malkamb.

It suppose to be in, Indigenous sports subsection. Where info about Malkhamb is written.Success think (talk) 16:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Karnataka Maharashtra border dispute.

Mention this in geography section, it even have wp article Belgavi border dispute. Source- [41]Success think (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Tourism inappropriate image.

In this page the Buddhist religion program image is uploaded by someone, the image is nothing to do with the tourism. Its a Buddhist religion conclave. I suggest to remove this image.Success think (talk) 10:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Mangrove

@Jonathansammy: by deleting my edits, you deleted the places I wrote where mangroves are found in Maharashtra. I'll write the places again but don't delete it. And please discuss before removing info on Talk page.Success think (talk) 07:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: No need to have name of every coastal Konkan district as you had. As it is, the article is close to its word limit. So please avoid repetition where you can. Also for biodiversity, use academic sources. There will be hundreds if not thousands you can find from Indian and international academic institutions. Avoid newspaper articles if you can. These, unlike academic papers, are not peer reviewed. All the best. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The places I wrote was not districts, your assuming them as districts. Nalasopara, Alibaug not what your thinking. Success think (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

New topics & clean-up

This section have lots of line which trying to wrongfully potrait that Bullock cart racing, Kushti, Scuba driving, surfing is popular in Maharashtra. But it is not true. Clarify exactly where these sports are played in the state. Scuba diving probably played as recreational activities in costal areas but need places.Success think (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about scuba diving or surfing. If the source is dubious then remove those lines.I have added sources for kusti and bullock cart racing. RegardsJonathansammy (talk) 16:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

History

One line saying Ind freedom struggle started took shape in mid 20th century. It is so false, by V.D. Savarkar, mutiny of 1857 was first battle for indipendence. 1857 means in mid 19th century not mid 20th century. The article not mentioning about Umaji Naik he was Adivasi freedom fighter from Maharashtra, he was before Lokmanya Tilak, Nana Saheb lead the freedom movement in 1857 along Rani Lakshmi Bai. Tilak was not first. Success think (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Why Americans Eng spelling?

This article suppose to be written in Indian English or Brit English, then why US spelling like, Organize are written. I suggest to change these spellings in Brit English.Success think (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Not a problem. Please go ahead and change them. Absolutely no need for American spellings.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Agriculture

Why there is no agriculture sep section here? This states economy is based on agriculture.Success think (talk) 08:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Success think, you can make these additions yourself rather than writing on the talk page. Other editors will follow you and contribute too. Please see Wikipedia:Be bold. I have left a message on your talk page as well. Kpddg (talk) 08:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I wrote for consensus and it is a huge job. I found many things that a worthy to be part of this article but for me alone it some kind of difficult work. But if other editors also work on it, It'll be easy for me. Success think (talk) 08:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Right, so you can make one section on this talk page with all the things you need help with listed. They can be marked as done once completed. This way, it will be easier to improve the article. Also, this article has many contributors. Once you start, others will also follow. And only additions which might arise disputes require a consensus. Thank you. Kpddg (talk) 10:46, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
The article is already too long. See Economy of Maharashtra for better coverage on Agriculture in the state. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Maharashtra state

Maharashtra is the name of a state in Western India. Its language is Marathi. It is the third biggest state of India by area and second biggest state in India based on population. Only one Indian state has more people (Uttar Pradesh). Mumbai is the capital of Maharashtra. Pune is the cultural and educational capital. 2409:4042:E25:41C9:48BF:EF20:DC0C:5D6A (talk) 08:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not doneNot clear what you are trying to convey. Everything you mentioned already there in the article. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

GA Level

I am trying my best to take the article to GA level. All are invited to give their valuable contribution. Thanks.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 12:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

25 CENTS VICTORIOUS, It is admirable that you want to take this article to GA level but in the process you are removing a lot sourced content. Please bring it to the Talk page before doing that. I am restoring the sourced politics section that you removed.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Jonathansammy:, First of all let me thank you for improving the article. I was literally struggling with copy edit thing. I sincerly apologise for not discussing points while I was editing them. Coming to political part of the article, it was quite lengthy. I thought of adding information related to State government, it's functioning, administrative, police, and judicial. Actually before I made changes to the section, lots of details were mentioned like political election who won, lost etc. As long as source is concerned please provide me a or two; rest assured I will leave no significant sentence unsourced. Right now my prime focus is to get the article organised and reduce it's lengthiness.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 15:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
25 CENTS VICTORIOUS, We share a passion for a number of subjects including Maharashtra, and the Congress party. What I detect in your edits though with this article is bias towards urban Maharashtra. For example, you removed content on agriculture, or a photo of a rural school. Also you want to minimize discussion of politics in the state. Politics in every state is different, and the readers should know about it.I want this article to be totally NPOV, balanced rather than a PR exercise. Anyhow, please discuss on the talk page all the matters that concern you before removing them. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
25 CENTS VICTORIOUSAlso please try to use academic sources rather than newspaper articles as far as you you can.You can ask Wikipedia to give you access to its library. I hope this helps.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
My apologies again. I purely have no intention to make article Mumbai, Pune centric. But I think it's happening. Thanks for suggesting the sources thing. I will add all required refs in in a day or two. Meanwhile it could be really helpful if assist History part of the article. I have a very basic idea about the state when it comes to history section. That too related to Indian Independence movement. Thank you.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Dear 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS, On the the Education section, you have removed so much sourced content or moved it around that it no longer makes sense. Previously, it was organized from primary to tertiary. Now it is all mixed up. Also you moved literacy rates to another section. There should not be rush to get to GA level. Please take it slowly. In my opinion, a number of changes you have made were not constructive, and can lead to the GA application being unsuccessful.I would ask other interested editors to weigh in too. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Organising a section into several sub-section with detail info will increase the length of the article and will eventually be like West Bengal and Karnataka. Both the articles were FA, suddenly those were flooded with the same logic and failed its FA status. Same happened with Uttar Pradesh but it was saved. Coming to politics sections, it contains more about election win loss things (saying this after seeing other articles). I was in support not to have it because we have main article Politics of Maharashtra. Education- the first paragraph in education section in my opinion gives fair idea about the education system in the state, second paragraph their situation like graduates, leading universities, etc, and then other important institutes and last vocational training options available. Anyway, please feel free to make the necessary changes if you think something is missing and not upto the mark. The only concerns is, it becomes tough to address the issues raised by reviewer while reviewing.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 11:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
🍁, Hi. Unfortunately, only a minority of eligible kids in the state goes to tertiary education /College/ University. And therefore, anything we say on education has to be balanced and not give undue weight to higher education. As I said before, this should not be an article for PR / Marketing purposes. Political dynasties in Maharashtra are a fact of life, and should be mentioned. Also important is the interaction of education and politics as well as the cooperative sector and politics. I know some of these things in the article do sound negative, but we are here to give an honest account with reliable sources, and therefore I am OK with that. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Awesome. Hence proved, you have got more understanding about the state than I. And I think I should stop here, because my knowledge about the state comes from state's website and common understanding that I have wrt administration, geography, demographics, economy etc. Moreover, my edits seems reflecting more of metro thoughts than other part of the state. I will start adding sources to the content I have added. Meanwhile you can carry on copyedit and improving remaining section of the article like Culture, sports and History etc. Let me know if it's okay to you. Cheers--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 15:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Jonathansammy: need your help in Sports section. /is it possible to get ride of first paragraph. After reading it seems it make no sense. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 21:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
@25 Cents FC:, Hi, I edited the sports section. I think it looks better now. Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Can you give a final look because it seems potential GA. Refs part I am aware and will add in due time. Let me know if the article is good to go. I will proceed to GA nomination, once I receive go ahead from you. Thanks again. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Sports

Have written sports section completly. Please do not add sports personality unnecessarily.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁, please discuss before making wholesale changes to the section. I will have to restore a lot of deleted stuff on recreational sports. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi please go ahead and restore anything you find it important for the article. Meanwhile please make sure section doesn’t get sort of tag like it had before. It would also be helpful if you restore the content in way it doesn't require anybody else' effort to improve the section. Because it's tough and time consuming. Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 06:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Maratha population

User talk:Kvvk111, You wrote and I quote, "Maratha is the largest Hindu caste in Maharashtra. It comprises of 32% of the state population with Western Maharashtra, Konkan and Marathawada regions having the highest proportions. Satara and Kolhapur districts have the highest proportion of Maratha population with it being 60.7% and 59.86% of total district populations respectively. Pune district has the largest total Maratha population in Maharashtra followed by Mumbai Suburban district. [1][2]"

Thanks for your contribution but there are many problems here as follows:

  • 1. The cited sources are either blogs which are not considered reliable, or deadlinks.
  • 2. You just write Maratha. What do you mean by that, just 96 Kulin Maratha , or Maratha and the Maratha kunbi population together?
  • 3.There have not been any caste based census since 1931, therefore these are extrapolated numbers.

Unless, you have satisfactory answers and / or sources to the above points then we can not add it to the article.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 23:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Strange

I was about to give final polish to the article and go for GA nomination but suddenly witnessing unfair edits.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Lavani Image

Is it okay if add a colour picture for Lavani replacing monochromatic file @Jonathansammy: 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@25 CENTS VICTORIOUS:, Yes, why not if you can find a good one on Creative commons. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 Done--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 13:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Literature

I am seriously in doubt if we really need so much names under literature.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  I agree. Let me have a look at the list. Also this article is on the state of Maharashtra, and not on Marathi language, or Marathi people, and therefore this section should not be restricted to Marathi literature only. Just like we should not have urban bias, we should not have Marathi bias either in the article when the state is home to a huge percentage of population who are not native Marathi people. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Healthcare section- I feel details about Ayushman Bharat Yojana and Mahatma Jyotiba Phule Jan Arogya Yojana and tussle between central government and state government over its implementation should not be there. Section should strictly adhere to Healthcare infrastructure in the state, like health facilities, data, life expectancy, birth rate, death rate etc. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 05:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Jewish Population

The state has significant Jewish population. Recently, they have been given minority status as well. It needs to be mentioned, 2-3 lines if not much. Thanks.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 17:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2022

Swanand C (talk) 05:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I request to add the Symbols of the state of Maharashtra.
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 05:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Pending Work

Hi @Jonathansammy:, let me know if it's ready for GA nomination.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 17:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@25 Cents FC: Hi , Give me a week to go through the article section by section.Thanks for all the good work you have done on the article over the years.Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
@25 Cents FC: Hi, I started going through the article section by section. Unfortunately, I found grammatical errors, and sentences that did not make sense. I recommend you go through the article again to check for clarity. Let us fix these issues before submitting for GA.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi, please go ahead with copy-edit. Also, let me know what section of article you want me to look after.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 15:37, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
@25 Cents FC: Hi, I have started from the top. I recommend you start with the last section (Tourism) and work your way up. That way we will not be working on the same sections. We will leave the Lede section to be the last one to be edited.Also please go line by line to see whether the sentences make sense. For that purpose the read mode is better than the editing mode.In the editing mode all the citations get in the way for one properly to see the content.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I am in too. Let's take it to GA. Akshaypatill (talk) 09:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
I am working up from the end. There is a lot of unsourced content that makes it difficult to correct or reword, especially, when you aren't familiar with the things. Akshaypatill (talk) 10:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Excellent, go ahead and make the changes. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Jonathansammy, I have reworded/copyedited sports and tourism sections. Please have a look. Akshaypatill (talk) 11:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Section: Media - Done. Akshaypatill (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Akshaypatill is on it. @Akshaypatill: mate, please coordinate with Jonathansammy as he's got more expertise on the article than I. Please reach out to him in case you need any help. Thanks. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:39, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
User:Jonathansammy, This sounds odd to my ears- "More than 200 newspapers and 350 consumer magazines have an office in this state and the book-publishing industry employs about 250,000 people.". How about "The state is home to more than 200 newspapers..........."? Akshaypatill (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I like your change, and you will encounter such language throughout the article. That is why we will have to go section by section, and sentence by sentence. Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 18:43, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the article needs serious rewriting for greater coherence. I am rewriting everything I can. A lot of sentence are grammatically incorrect and some make no sense at all. A lot of things have no source, need to work on that too. Thanks. Akshaypatill (talk) 19:11, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
I will run it through a Grammar checker once we fining all this. Then the article will be ready for a GA review. Akshaypatill (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Akshaypatill: and @Jonathansammy:. Just wanted to check if we are done with copy editing. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 06:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Akshaypatill more than just a grammar check is needed before any thought of GA. There is still a vast amount of unsourced text.SovalValtos (talk) 09:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
SovalValtos, It would be quite helpful if you can put citation needed tags on unsourced information. I will really appreciate that. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Jonathansammy Real life precludes much editing from me at present. It is laudable to attempt GA on sub-continent articles. Two editors working from opposite ends is a good approach IMHO.SovalValtos (talk) 19:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC) It is tedious having to check Cits cover all the text that they follow, but it needs to be done for GA.SovalValtos (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
User:SovalValtos User:25 Cents FC, I am really busy right now. The article definitely isn't ready for a GA review. Apart from the citations, it needs serious rewriting at a lot of places. I was working from bottom. I will be resuming from where I left once I get some time. Akshaypatill (talk) 05:38, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello @Akshaypatill @Jonathansammy, are you still working on this? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:41, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Changes suggested / required in Sports, Films, and Politics section. Suggest adding more Pictures

Sports

Claim that "Maharashtra cricket team represents Maharashtra state in Indian domestic cricket." is incorrect. In Ranji Trophy, there are three Teams that represent different parts of Maharashtra - Mumbai, Maharashtra, and Vidarbha. That Vidarbha and Mumbai Teams are from same state is mentioned elsewhere in article, but that comes after two Paragraphs unrelated to Cricket. Same for the governing bodies of the three teams.

This section should be rewritten to include all Cricket related info together in few Paras. This section can also highlight achievements of Mumbai and MI in Ranji and IPL respectively.Section should identify Cricketers who have contributed so much to Indian and World Cricket (e.g. Sachin Tendulkar, Sunil Gavaskar, Dilip Vengsarkar, Vijay Hazare). This section in a sense does disservice to the contribution that Maharashtra and its Cricketers have made to the Indian and world Cricket. 

:This article is about Maharashtra. You can add more information on cricket in
Maharashtra in Wikipedia article, Sports in Maharashtra

:Thanks for the reply. But if we extend that argument to other sections, no names should be mentioned in Literature, Films / Cinema etc. Ideally, few names should be mentioned in this section. If readers wish to know more, they can refer to Sports section. Also see concerns around correctness of Teams and ownership. - Nonentity683


Pictures

We can add more pictures for places of Historical importance like Forts, Ajanta and Ellora Caves, and for people like Jyotirao Phule, and Ambedkar? 

:Historical places you mention are already there. Adding pictures of famous people can be contentiuous with everyone wanting their famous personalities included.It has gone out of hand for many India related articles.

: Not having pictures of Ambedkar and Phule looks like a big miss.  This page does not contain any paintings from Ajanta or Ellora Caves. For example, see Pictures on http://double-dolphin.blogspot.com/2015/12/photography-inside-ajanta-caves-tips-and-tricks.html.   - Nonentity683


Films This section should ideally be titled Cinema, since it does not describe artefacts, but artists and industry in general. First 4 sentences of this section can be rewritten to be concise. There seems to be some redundancy. 

:I will have a look

Grammatical Errors

"when Dadasaheb Phalke made Raja Harishchandra a movie in 1913", "with enormous films, television series, books, and other media being set there", "Mumbai has numerous film production studios and it has facilities to produce films.", "Well known for its art films, the early Marathi film industry included acclaimed directors such as Dadasaheb Phalke and V. Shantaram, Dada Kondke is the most prominent name in Marathi film.", "Here people often plays it as", "nearly all the times sporting arenas remains full house". These can be corrected. 

:This article has undergone copyediting in the past but new editors in recent months have messed up.You are welcome to take a lead in copyediting.

Politics

This claim seems to be without merit - "Although the Bharatiya Janata Party also features several senior leaders who are dynasts, the phenomenon of dynasticism is at a lower level in the BJP than the Congress party.[152][153] In Maharashtra, the NCP has a particularly high level of dynasticism.[153]". Ref. 152 directly contradicts the claim with a Graph Titled "1999 onwards Congress and BJP are Comparably Dynastic Parties". This reference does not include any Data about Maharashtra. Ref 153 is not available online, so it is not possible to verify is this book contains any relevant info. Given all the dynasts who joined BJP in state after 2014, this just might be the other way around - that State BJP has more Dynasts than congress or NCP.

These sentences are inaccurate, and should be removed for want of proof / for being inaccurate. 

:I will check the source.

Nonentity683 (talk) 18:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC) Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Hindi

How 115.98.235.75 (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Please clarify. Just saying 'how' is not a useful contribution to Talk.SovalValtos (talk) 15:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2023

Updating the HDI of Maharashtra's position to ninth which is shown fifteenth. Yashwpatil (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done –small jars tc 22:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Should we replace Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory in Indian states and union territories pages ?

Please share your thoughts and comments on this topic, Discussion page :- Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tojoroy20 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Indian state or territory has an RFC

Template: Infobox Indian state or territory has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Infobox replacement

The {{Infobox settlement}} used on this page is going to be replaced with {{Infobox Indian state or territory}} as per the Proposal and Consensus of RFC. Any questions/suggestions? Discuss Here.

You can also contribute by replacing Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory on other pages , or by improving this one. Tojoroy20 (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done Replaced — Tojoroy20 (talk) 20:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Caste Wise Population of Maharashtra". Central Cluster UUPGS. Archived from the original on 21 July 2020. Retrieved 2 April 2022.
  2. ^ "Caste Wise Population of Maharashtra". Econommic times. Retrieved 2 April 2022. {{cite web}}: |archive-date= requires |archive-url= (help); Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |archive-date= (help); Unknown parameter |https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/state-panel-to-submit-report-on-maratha-quota-issue-today/articleshow/66615380.cms?from= ignored (help)CS1 maint: url-status (link)
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