Talk:Main Line (Long Island Rail Road)

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Main Line and Ronkonkoma[edit]

Thanks for creating the Main Line article: something I've wanted to do for some time but never got around to it. But I really don't like having the article talk about the route and also the Ronkonkoma Branch service as well. For example, not all Ronkonkoma trains travel on the Main Line once they're west of Jamaica. I prefer the arrangement that was done with the (now named) Atlantic Branch: description of the route and its stations—while having the service areas that talked about it (City Terminal Zone and Far Rockaway Branch) be separate articles. The analogy I'm going with is the New York City Subway-related articles: services and lines are separated. Tinlinkin 09:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

While that split might work for the Main Line, it would not work for most of the services, whose names are identical to the names of the lines. Anyway, according to the maps and schedules, inbound "Ronkonkoma Branch" trains magically become "Port Jefferson Branch" trains at Hicksville and "Hempstead Branch" trains at Floral Park. This is not similar to the NYC Subway, where one train keeps the same service name along its entire route. --NE2 09:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Babylon station?[edit]

There was a Babylon station between Farmingdale and Deer Park, opened in December 1841[1] and discontinued on March 14, 1842, when Deer Park opened and stages began serving Babylon from Deer Park.[2][3][4] --NE2 00:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Long Island Railroad Company". Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, NY). December 27, 1841. p. 1. 
  2. ^ "Long Island Railroad Company". Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, NY). March 16, 1842. p. 3. 
  3. ^ "Long Island Railroad Company". Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, NY). March 17, 1842. p. 3. 
  4. ^ "Long Island Railroad Company". Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, NY). May 28, 1842. p. 3. 

Some early stations[edit]

12/27/41 3/17/42 5/28/42 8/15/42 6/24/44 7/26/44 4/25/45 5/1/48 10/1/52
Willow Tree x
Flushing Avenue/Brushville x x x x x x x
Hyde Park x x x
Clowsville x
Hempstead/Branch/Hempstead Branch x x x x x x x x x
Carll Place/Carle Place/Carl Place x x x x x x x
Westbury x x x x x x
Hicksville x x x x x x x x x
Jerusalem
Farmingdale x x x x x x x x x
Babylon x
Deer Park x x x x x x x x
Thompson x x x x
Brentwood
Suffolk x x x x x x
Nichols Road /x
Lake Road/Lakeland x x x
Waverly x
Medford x x x x x
Bellport/Bell-Port x
Fire Place x
Milleville/Yaphank x x x
Carman's River x
Wampmissic/Wampmissick x
St. George Manor/St. George's Manor/Manor x x x x
Hulse Turnout x/
Riverhead/River Head x x x x
Jamesport/James Port x x x
Mattetuck/Mattituck x x x x
Cutchogue x x x
Hermitage x x
Southhold/Southold x x x x
Greenport/Green-Port x x x x

[1] and [2] seem to conflict on intermediate station names:

  • Westbury - Carle Place
  • Hempstead - Clowesville
  • Flushing Avenue - De Lancy Avenue? Connecticut Avenue?
  • Union Course - Pennsylvania Avenue?

The earlier one matches known later names; I have no idea why the later one uses the alternate names. --NE2 02:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Penn Station[edit]

I find it confusing that Penn Station is not included as part of the Main Line. The article makes it seem as if LIC is a terminating station for the Main Line, and that one might need to transfer from there to get anywhere else. Distances for stations are usually given from Penn, not Jamaica. Far more travellers board or disembark at Penn than at LIC, and the article obscures this vital point. I see no source that says LIC is the beginning & end of the Main Line. --JimWae (talk) 21:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I see "East River Tunnels are currently owned by Amtrak", and maybe that accounts for their non-inclusion on the Main Line - this info could make article clearer--JimWae (talk) 21:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

GoogleEarth shows a portion of line that appears to be single-tracked just east of LIC station--JimWae (talk) 21:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The Main Line terminates in LIC because it's terminated in LIC since before Penn Station was built. Odd to call a 100-year-old station a Johnny-come-lately, but for the LIRR it is. Of course, Penn is a heck of a lot more important to the modern railroad, but it isn't part of the Main Line, whose physical definition is listed on various documents, including government records of ownership, such as the one about Amtrak owning Penn. It's not really confusing. Penn isn't part of the Main Line, period, even if most Main Line trains (and LIRR trains in general) use it.oknazevad (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)