Talk:Major religious groups

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2013[edit]

"[Under the chart] Major religious groups worldwide, by percentage, according to The World Factbook (2012)[1] Reference is there but percentages are written wrong. Please change Christians (28%) to (33%); Muslims (22%) to (23%); Hindus (15%) to (13.8%); Buddhists (8.5%) to (6.77%)". 82.17.220.196 (talk) 02:46, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

needed further refinement but changes noted - keep in mind live sources update their numbers without a history of why or when. I added a second source that closely agrees. --Smkolins (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Well done. However, when someone click on the reference number 1 (World fact book or CIA), it goes to wikipedia pages of World fact book or CIA which do not contain the expected information. It would be convenient for the readers if official CIA world Fact book link (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html) is cited instead of wikipedia pages of World fact book or CIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.220.196 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
That's because you are supposed to click on the "1" vs the word "World Fact Book". And unfortunately if you navigate to that url directly it still goes to the main page which needs to be opened as before. --Smkolins (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
add Shi'ism to the list it has 112,558,954 estimated followers, I think it would just meet the Large religions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisalaah (talkcontribs) 05:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Disagree Shi'ism should not be added to the list -- see Smkolins's reasoning in the section on 'Some listed as "Largest" should be "Medium-sized"?' Also, please do not repeat requests in two places, as this can cause confusion and duplication of effort. — Molly-in-md (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Article is worse again[edit]

This is just to note that the article now has the absurdly specific number of 932 million believers of "Chinese traditional religion", even though 38% of respondents refused the survey and only 16% of respondents (i.e. 216 million) had a belief in shen. The other statistics have been fudged with as well. Someone's obsession with statistics has made the table much worse. Shii (tock) 17:30, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I would remove all "religions" which are banning multi-faiths together. Such as Chinese Traditional Religions. B/c if we want to go down that road, why not group Islam, Judaism and Christianity into Abrahamic and get a grand total. I had this discussion on similar pages before. --Inayity (talk) 18:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
There's really not much we can do about the Britannica style labels for religion (Catholic and Protestant should be separate, etc.). People sweep through this page and mess with the numbers all the time. I've given up on it. Shii (tock) 05:05, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Catholic and Protestant certainly should not be separate.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:38, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Why? They are opposed to each other in doctrine, and often on the street. If you can merge them, why not merge Christianity with Judaism? Shii (tock) 07:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I would agree they should not be separated, because that might be going to far. Christianity is Christianity, Islam is Islam as a block. B/c if we go down that road Islam would get split into Sunni and Shiite. --Inayity (talk) 07:08, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
And why not? Sunnis and Shias fight wars against each other and accuse each other of heresy, is it really appropriate to group them together? Shii (tock) 14:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Strange logic, b/c you are create a dichotomy based upon "fighting each other" it has no value. Moreover Sunni Kill other Sunni even more than they have ever killed Shiitte. (per history of Islam). As for accusations of Kufr etc, I can confirm as someone who knows Islam that Sunni consider Shiite a legitimate sect of Islam and vice-versa, just as Catholics consider Pente and others as still under the banner of Christians (not sure about JHW). --Inayity (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
What do you consider a valuable dichotomy? Will you silence the Sunnis who say that Shias are not Muslim? Shii (tock) 18:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
If you are familiar with Islam or any religious community what do you supposed we do with the Sunni Wahabi who say other Sunni are not Muslim, or the Muslims that say Sufi,Ahmadiyya, and Nation of Islam are not Muslim, on and on. It is not the purpose of Wikipedia to get into sectarianism. All we do is report RS which has a block called Islam and a block called Christian which is considered unanimously as unique independent religions. --Inayity (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
"Unanimously"? Even Adherents.com lists Sunni and Shia as separate. Shii (tock) 20:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Sure separate sects not different religions! [1]--Inayity (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
What is the difference between a "religion" and a "sect"? Shii (tock) 22:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Protestants and Catholics are not opposed to each other on doctrine. There are varying doctrinal opinions among the different Protestant groups, and varying doctrinal opinions among the Catholics, but nine times out of ten they recognize each other as fellow Christians, and the tenth time the Protestant group is probably as much against various other Protestant groups as the Catholics. If you split Protestants and Catholics, there's nothing really holding the Protestants together.
Judaism and Christianity have been recognized as separate religions for about 1950 years. Christians usually consider themselves Christians first and foremost, and Jews Jews; no one would say "I'm a Judeo-Christian".
Likewise, Muslims tend to consider themselves Muslims, first and foremost. Unless your intent is to look at a fine grained separation, Christians and Muslims should make groups.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:10, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit[edit]

I checked the source for the bar graph (Pew Research Center) and the date the information was USED was 2012, but the date the information is FOR is 2010. I think this should be corrected on the top of the chart but I cannot make the edit myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eklipst (talkcontribs) 04:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2014[edit]

Buddhism originated in India even though the founder was born in present day Nepal. This information needs to be updated. Dattaputra (talk) 22:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 01:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

0.2% Jews[edit]

The "Size of major religious groups, 2012" bar box on the right is missing 0.2% Jews, see its reference. While 0.2% may not be major, that's still a lot of people, and why not make the picture complete; make it add up to 100%? --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cannolis (talk) 03:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Really what you should have asked is "Why is Judaism placed on its own being that it constitutes an absolutely irrelevant % of the world's population?". Why not place the Sikhs as part of the chart (considering that they represent a bigger % than those that profess Judaism)? Or simply why not simply put Judaism as part of the "other" category? To me it is a plain and simple (and pathetic might I add) attempt to be seen as prominent, when it is anything but prominent. In Spanish we would say "figuretti". 179.26.153.132 (talk) 01:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Judaism is huge as theological and historical importance, regardless of the number of its believers. Christianity and Islam are offspring of Judaism, so in a way they are footnotes to Judaic thought, like European philosophy is footnotes to Plato. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
"Judaism is huge as theological and historical importance" Wow! How ridiculous! Well that's one thing that Jews are good at it.Removed inflammatory statement.Bladesmulti (talk) 03:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)186.50.234.30 (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I am not a Jew, if that is what you claim. Abrahamic religions started with the Jews, whether you like it or not. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
And what I said above was not supposed to be flattering for the Jews, just consider that sharia and the Islamic state are rehashed Judaic thinking. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Because that's the way the data we have comes to us.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:58, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
The way the data comes to us? Really? You mean the way that Jews manipulate this article to their own advantage by attempting to indicate that their religion is important enough to appear as a separate tab even though there are other religions that have many more followers and DO NOT appear as a separate tab??? 186.50.234.30 (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
You know, it's a lot easier to work on an article like this without sheer open bigotry being flung around. Yes, it's the way the data comes to us; there's a link right under the table, http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/ , that's gives us the source of this data.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand this discussion at all. The easier point is valid - how is the 5th largest organized religion in the world (Sikhism) not in the major religions list, but Judaism is? Why not include other religions f we will include the 0.2%. i mean Chinese Traditional is pretty big. The whole "that is how the data is presented" thing is pretty BS, because there are plenty of sources out there ripe with information. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904108.html lists the organised religons in terms of size and I found that in seconds. 31.205.119.172 (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Indian Religions[edit]

The text here says "The main Indian religions are Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism" but the main article says "Indian religions are the religions that originated in the Indian subcontinent; namely Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism." "Main" implies others, "namely" implies no others. Are there others? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 04:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure over the centuries the subcontinent has produced many religions, but those are the ones that fall under the category of "Major religious groups".--Prosfilaes (talk) 08:17, 11 November 2014 (UTC)