Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire

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January 12, 2010 Good article nominee Listed
July 7, 2011 Peer review Reviewed
Current status: Good article
edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Malvern, Worcestershire:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Article requests : Add a map of Malvern town council wards
  • Expand : 20th century Section
  • Other : Malvern has a wealth of architecture from many periods. Develop a substantial section on architecture, and if it gets too big split most of it off to a main article.


Verifiability of doctors and patients[edit]

Sentence about hydrotherapy patients needed change because of following in article cited re Dickens. "om March 15 he was in Malvern settling his wife into the care of Dr. James Wilson ...". So had to (1) change mention of Gully to mention of Wilson and Gully, (2) drop "famous", (3) include reference, (4) for consistency up to that point, put in reference for Darwin -- it reads "about two years out of this time was lost by illness. On this account I went in 1848 for some months to Malvern for hydropathic treatment ...". The Dickens item led to distinction of the two Wilson's in hydrotherapy article. Getting the verifiability for these two was useful. Should reference-needed template be put in for other patients? Michael P. Barnett (talk)

People connected with Malvern[edit]

This is a long list and should this article ever be nominated for FA, it would almost certainly be criticised by the reviewer(s). A suggestion would be to reduce it to a prose section, per MoS, about some of the most notable, and create a separate category or list article instead if everyone on the list cannot be reasonably accommodated in one prose section. An example is Guildford#Notable residents (past and present). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Finally getting ready for FA[edit]

Malleus has kindly pointed out some issues, namely:

  • The ISBN for Waite (1968) is clearly wrong. Is that perhaps an ASIN? If so, you don't need it, as it's unique to Amazon.Yes check.svg Done Mhygelle (talk) 09:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
  • You need to make the population growth table more accessible for visually impaired readers by scoping the rows and columns. Probably ought to make the year column sortable as well.
partially Yes check.svg Done but don't quite understand what is reauired here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm very unconvinced by the Television section. What has Elgar cycling through the Malvern Hills got to do with either the town or the civil parish?

I've updated this section to make it clear that several scenes in Elgar were filmed on location in Malvern. I've removed the reference to the opening scene. As I recall, it features an establishing shot of Malvern and the Hills but I'm not sure how to incorporate this. Cite video perhaps? Mhygelle (talk) 10:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

  • You've got a section on health care, but you also need something on the provision of public utilities, police and emergency services etc. Yes check.svg DoneKudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
  • You'll get a lot of grief over that bulleted list of notable people, and rightly so. In what way does someone dying in the town make them worthy of mention, for instance? So Nigel Kennedy has a home in Malvern, so what? For all we know it's up for sale and he'll be moving out tomorrow.
  • You need to combine those tiny subsections in Tansport. Yes check.svg Done
  • I don't see what architecture has to do with culture. I think you ought to consider separating out a Landmarks section for stuff such as the Council House and the Lawnside School for Girls, and probably the public artworks as well. In general I think the Culture section is very muddled, and here's one example from the Music section: "A sculpture group by artist Rose Garrard comprising the Enigma fountain together with a statue of Elgar gazing over Great Malvern stands on Belle Vue Terrace in the town centre. The Elgar Route, a 40-mile (64 km) drive passing some key landmarks from Elgar's life, passes through Malvern." What has any of that to do with music, particularly music in general,
  • Malvern water would seem better under Economy than culture to me.

I'll start addressing these points but if anyone wants to dive in and help they are more than welcome to do so. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

External links[edit]

Hi everyone. With this article being prepared for featured article status, I would like to suggest some external links be removed from this article, in accordance with WP:ELNO, a widely accepted policy that editors should normally be follow. Some external links on the article, such as newspaper and district council websites only related to the spa town I believe should be removed, per number 11 of the list of external links to be avoided, "Links to websites of organizations mentioned in an article"; these links may be used on those respective, relevant pages. I am also questioning whether the tourism link should be used, so I hope to gain a consensus for an appropriate change for the article. Best, TBrandley (what's up) 04:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The list of external links does not seem to me to be excessive. And these would sit uncomfortably in the Governance section. Which links would you propose to remove? The only one which is not directly relevant to Malvern is the county council website. Regards Hallucegenia (talk) 07:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
WP:ELNO number 11 says:
"Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)"
Surely the local newspaper is a recognised authority, as are the various councils? As a slightly more pragmatic evaluation, if I were visiting this page for the first time, I would find these links useful. I don't think they should be removed. I would be happy to cut the link to Malvern Museum though (it's mentioned in the body of the article, and has its own WP page). GyroMagician (talk) 12:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant number 19 of the list of external links to be avoided. TBrandley (what's up) 15:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Population[edit]

That population is the population for the Malvern Hills council area, not the town of Malvern, and is thus drastically wrong (the real population is roughly 30,000). I would do it myself but wikipedia have changed the editing system and I don't understand how it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theconorra (talkcontribs) 20:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)