Talk:Mammy archetype

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I would dispute the comment that 'Mammy' the song was racial; Jolie as an immigrant Jew was far more in sympathy with immigrants including those of African descent, than most Americans. Whilst not a true 'jazz' artist, he was instrumental in advancing its popularity. W Betteley becker.1933@ntlworld.com

This is a very rich subject -- certainly as rich as blackface. The article needs a lot of work! deeceevoice 14:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I am going to take the first link out since it is no longer working. spikelee

"Mammy" is also what most Irish children call their mothers. Jdorney 11:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


Would a "mammy" really have been a wet nurse? To white children in the southern U.S.? I think some clarification is needed. 70.20.238.31 18:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


This is the most racsist thing on this website

Tom & Jerry[edit]

The article is currently very weasely with regard to the housekeeper on the Tom & Jerry cartoons (calling her "reminiscent of the mammy archetype"). Please. She is the archetype, in full form, for generations of children to see up to and including my own. This needs a cite one way or the other, but I find the weasely language quite annoying in this case. — BrianSmithson 22:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Chrono Cross Refrence[edit]

It looks to me that the character in Chrono Cross looks more like she's from Hawaii than a "mammy archetype". Considering the flower in her hair and the blue eyes, I think that's what they were going for, so I think it's inappropriate to give her as an example.

I agree, I think it's a stretch 198.6.46.11 13:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Racist?[edit]

Can someone add to the article *why* this is a racial slur. For people not familiar with the full context, it's far from clear. If it was a fat white woman, it surely would not be seen as racist

Wait, are you referring to the article or the Mammy archetype?

Joking aside, this one is a delightful edge case. There are so many admirable qualities associated with a mammy, it's hard to separate the subservient role of a mammy to 1800's southern white plantation owners. I say, take the whole package. Be outraged if you want, but acknowledging the inherent wisdom and strength of a mammy also acknowledges equality of the races in a manner of thought.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.166.240 (talk) 10:18, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Gone With the Wind?[edit]

Should "Gone with the Wind" be mentioned seeing as it had a "mammy" as an important character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesniperremix (talkcontribs) 01:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

This article needs to be seriously cleaned up[edit]

If you read this article from beginning to end, all you get is a series of undergraduate crit-lit condemnations that often contradict one another and shed no insight or historical perspective on the subject. First she is masculine and a threat to white people, and then she is docile and feminine and an exaggeration of the female physique aimed at making white people feel safe. What white people? Slave owners? Children of Slave owners? 20th century Americans? This article is just a jumbled mess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.67.123.206 (talk) 18:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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Ethnic slur[edit]

This article is very american centric with the mention of mammy not being used and being considered racist. In northern England it is used regularly in an endearing way towards (usually your own) mothers. I would add to it by my current form of Internet access doesn't lend itself well to long-form typing Silent1 12:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Silent1 12:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The mammy archetype is an american idea, which is inherently racist, and is used only in reference to african americans. The term "mammy" may be used by many, many people with absolutely no racist overtones whatsoever, esp. if its within a family. however, in the us, to use the word publicly is nearly as bad as "nigger". I dont think even african americans use the word to describe their own mothers (though i bet the word was used a lot about a century ago). I think a note in the article to clarify that the term may not be racist everywhere. however, since the caricatures from us culture of blacks have spread worldwide, i dont think anyone can be deaf to its usage any more. And im sorry that certain words end up getting destroyed by racists.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Other countries?[edit]

I remember similar characters in French, Spanish and Portuguese language TV productions about slavery, especially Januária from "Escrava Isaura". However I have no idea if the archetype exist in other countries (I only know about Tia Nastácia in Brasil) or was it just influenced by the movies like Gone with the wind. Do you think it should be mentioned here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.77.52.172 (talk) 02:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)