Talk:Manila galleon

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Image[edit]

We need a good image of a Manila galleon with references, NOT an Atlantic Ocean class Spanish galleon. The Manila galleons had a distinctive design for practical reasons.

Galleon coins[edit]

Could "Manila Galleons" be interpreted as "magic" currency of Manila? I remember somewhere that "galleon" refered to gold coins...

why "magic" ?? if galleon also refers to gold coins a disambiguation link could be inserted at the beggining of the article, but I've never heard of this before. Intersofia 18:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I think I have heard of this use too. Ingolfson (talk) 08:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Bullion? Doubloon? There's no coin called a "galleon".--Wetman (talk) 10:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

See Money_in_Harry_Potter#Economy. Jim.henderson (talk) 04:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Sizes compared[edit]

The article states that the Manila Galleon was the largest wooden sailing vessel. This contradicts Junk_(ship), stating Chinese junks of the 15th to 17th century were much larger. Perhaps a reference can clear up these claims? Robogun 07:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The claim for the biggest Ming Dynasty Chinese junks under Ze Heng are disputed on practical engineering and sailing grounds. The largest indisputable wooden sailing ships ever built, like the 19th century Orlando of the US, undulated visibly with the sea waves even though they had iron braces. The biggest Manila galleons were as heavy or heavier than these much larger legendary junks. This means that at sea these giant junks would have been lightly built for their size and would have been uncontrollable in heavy winds and seas of the ocean and would have been destroyed in a storm. The only possibility is that these mammoth ships, if they were actually built, were for the emperor to sail about on the lower Yangtze River to show off. We can be quite sure that the largest class of sea going ships built in sixteenth, seventeenth and the early eighteenth centuries (apart from a few huge warships), were the Manila galleons and there were none anywhere near their size before.

One-way ships[edit]

I read (and the article seems to imply) that the Manila Galleons were essentially not intended to travel back to the Philippines, but were rather broken up on arrival. Is this true / referencable? Ingolfson (talk) 08:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

No. And there were usually several operating at any one time even though they were referred to in the singular as "the" Manila galleon.

The present map[edit]

An improved map that shows the direction of the route and the volta to use the tradewinds would materially improve the article.--Wetman (talk) 22:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

We need another line to show the transatlantic connection - in the same colour but a different shade.

Hawaii[edit]

Earlier visitors to Hawaii could also have been Dutch off William Adam's epic voyage to Japan in 1600. It is known that a number of the crew from one of those ships abandoned the ships on an island "somewhere in the Pacific". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianwiki2010 (talkcontribs) 03:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you know how many islands are in the Pacific? Viriditas (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

There is too much space in this article given to these speculations. Even the speculations should have good references, they should not come from wikipedian editors.

I added what I thought was a relevant question at the end of the section: "Then there is the question: if these Spaniards never left Hawaii, nor left any written or other visual records, can their visit be considered discovery?" User 203.206.34.128 reverted the edit, saying "Irrelevant; this section deals with whether any Manila galleons encountered Hawaii, not whether Spain as a country knew about Hawaii.". Fair enough - it wasn't important information, just a question that's better asked here rather than in the article anyway. Maybe the section title should use the word "encounter" rather than "discovery"? WCCasey (talk) 05:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Westbound Route-Guam?[edit]

It seems unlikely that the westbound route would include a stop in Guam, since this adds considerable sailing distance and the leg from Guam to The Philippines would be a dificult one, primarily upwind. Probably, if there was a regular Guam stop it would be on the eastbound voyage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingssail (talkcontribs) 06:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Don't speculate, find good references or at least ask for them. Somebody may know some. Remember, Wikipedia:NOR

Manila History[edit]

Shipwrecks of Hawai'i by Richard W. Rogers has a lot of valuable information on what the ship was used for and the history behind it. The book tells us that the ship was used for trading spices and would sail to Hawaii and other parts of the world just to sell thier spices. (Wfjones (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC))

Notable Manila Galleons[edit]

The histories of a number of Manila Galleons are known -- including where some wrecked. Should a section on Notable Galleons be added that then links to the pages on each individual ship? We could start it with a few entries such as Cermeño's San Agustin and add as we can. Since this east-bound part of the voyage was more dangerous, it has most of the interesting stories. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeVdP (talkcontribs) 06:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Human cargo[edit]

Human cargo on the manila galleons

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Rajmaan (talk) 07:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)