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27 57 153 84 and 14 96 142 135[edit]

These two IP address are from the same location. The reason for reverting by these two IP addresses is, “Your intention behind changing the Intro, is to remove the Anglican connection, never properly mentioned in the entire page.” What is the Anglican connection you are thinking of? Neduvelilmathew (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Am not reverting, considering your age. Wiki is not a place to update, YOUR CHURCH's version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.44.186 (talk) 06:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Bent Cross Oath (Koonan Kurishu Satyam)[edit]

(NeduvelilMathew or one of his friends deleted this to hide the truth from readers, I am reposting these facts Qurbono (talk) 20:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC))

Most versions of this Oath are biased. Mr. Mathew included the version most favourable to his faction, but there are other versions of history regarding this event. The most objective version I've found is here[1]:

I will include it below:

The Coonan Cross Oath (Koonan Kurishu Satyam) Just like any historical event related to Malabar church each fraction keep its own version of this event.

The Coonan Cross Oath (Koonan Kurishu Satyam), taken on January 3, 1653,[1] was a public avowal by members of the Saint Thomas Christian community of Kerala, India that they would not submit to Portuguese dominance in ecclesiastical and secular life. The swearing of the oath was a major event in the history of the Saint Thomas Christian community and marked a major turning point in its relations with the Portuguese colonial government. The oath resulted directly in the formation of an independent Malankara Church, with Mar Thoma I as its head, and ultimately in the first permanent split in the community.Historically the Saint Thomas Christians were part of the Church of the East, centred in Persia, but the collapse of the church hierarchy throughout Asia opened the door for Portuguese overtures.[2] They came into direct communion with the Church of Rome through the Chaldean Patriarchate with the arrival of Mar Joseph Sulaqa and Mar Elias in AD 1554 and Mar Abraham(Died 1599). With the establishment of Portuguese power in parts of India, clergy of that empire, in particular members of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), attempted to Latinise the Indian Christians.The Portuguese started a Latin Rite diocese in Goa (1534) and another at Cochin (1558), and sought to bring the Thomas Christians fully under the jurisdiction of the Portuguese padroadoand into the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. A series of synods, including the 1585 Synod of Goa, were held, which introduced latinized elements to the local liturgy. In 1599 Aleixo de Menezes, Archbishop of Goa, led the Synod of Diamper, which finally brought the Saint Thomas Christians fully under the authority of the Latin Archdiocese of Goa and replaced traditional East Syrian liturgy with Latinized liturgy.[3][4] Widespread discontent with these measures led the community to rally behind the archdeacon, Thoma,[5]However, many Saint Thomas Christians resisted the Portuguese padroado, including members of the old church hierarchy. In 1641 seething tensions came to a head with the ascendancy of two new protagonists on either side of the contention: Francis Garcia, the new Archbishop of Kodungalloor, and Archdeacon Thomas, the head of the old native hierarchy.[7] In 1652 a man named Ahatallah, who claimed to be the rightful ""Patriarch of the Whole of India and of China", arrived in India.[8] He was arrested by the Portuguese and was never heard from again in India, starting rumors that he had died or been murdered.[9] This event combined with Francis Garcia's general dismissiveness towards the complaints of the Saint Thomas Christians, led directly to the swearing of the Coonan Cross Oath.[9].On January 3, 1653 Archeadeacon Thomas and representatives from the community met at the Church of Our Lady in Mattancherry to swear what would be known as the Coonan Cross Oath.Those who were not able to touch the cross, tied ropes on the cross, held the rope in their hands and made the oath. Because of the weight it is said that the cross bent a little and so it is known as "Oath of the bent cross" (Koonen Kurisu Sathyam).[11][12][13]


When news of these events reached Pope Alexander VII, he dispatched a Carmelite mission, headed by Jose de Sancta Maria Sebastiani. This mission, which arrived in 1661, organized a new East Syrian Rite church hierarchy in communion with Rome. By the next year 84 of the 116 Saint Thomas Christian communities joined this Eastern Catholic Church, known as the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church.In 1665, Mar Gregorios Abdul Jaleel, a Bishop sent by the Syriac Orthodox (West Syrian) Patriarch of Antioch, arrived in India, at the invitation of Thomas.[15][16] This visit resulted in the Mar Thoma party claiming spiritual authority of the Antiochean Patriarchate and gradually introduced the West Syrian liturgy, customs and script to the Malabar Coast.The arrival of Mar Gregorios in 1665 marked the beginning of West Syrian association of the Thomas Christians. Those who accepted the West Syrian theological and liturgical tradition of Mar Gregorios became known as Jacobites. The remaining 32 communities eventually entered into communion with the Syriac Orthodox Church, introduced by Mar Gregorios Abdul Jaleel of Jerusalem.Those who continued with East Syrian liturgical tradition and stayed faithful to the Synod of Diamper are known as the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church in communion with the Roman Catholic Church. They received their own Syro-Malabar Hierarchy on 21 December 1923, with the Metropolitan Mar Augustine Kandathil as the Head of their Church.The Saint Thomas Christians by this process became divided into East Syrians and West Syrians.The split into Syro-Malabar and Malankara factions would be permanent; over the next centuries the Malankara Church would experience further splits and schisms.

Malanakara Jacobite Version.( part of oriental orthodox Syrian church of anthioch following west Syrian tradition ) In response to the continuous appeal of the Thomas Arkadiyakon (archdeacon), who was then giving leadership to Malankara Church; from the Patriarchate of Antioch came Mor Ignatius Ahattula in 1653. The tradition is that the Portuguese arrested him, tied him up and cast him in the Ocean. Consequently, the Syrian Christians get agitated and as a result, a large gathering of about 25,000 assembled at Mattancherry and took Oath at 'Koonan Cross' which happens to be known as the historical 'Koonam Kurisu Sathayam' in 1653 and declared that Our future generations will ever be loyal to the throne of Antioch and we would not adhere to the Franks, nor accept the faith of the Pope of Rome.

Malanakara Orthodox Version.(independent oriental orthodox following west Syrian tradition )& Malanakara Marthoma Version. (A protestant reformed church following west Syrian tradition): By the Father, Son and Holy Ghost that henceforth we would not adhere to the Franks, nor accept the faith of the Pope of Rome. [Source: This reference from the The Missionary Register of 1822 (Letter from Punnathara Mar Dionysious (Mar Thoma XI)to the Head of the Church Missionary Society.)]

Syro-Malabar and Syro-Malankara Version (Eastern Catholic Churches): A protest took place in 1653 with the Coonan Cross Oath. Under the leadership of Archdeacon Thomas, the Thomas Christians publicly took an oath that they would not obey the Jesuit bishops [Sampaloor pahtiri].[2][8][9].The oath was not against pope or catholic church but against Portuguese authorities.

Neutral Version. The situation is best explained by the Stephen Neill (an Anglican protestant missionary, later Anglican Bishop of Tamil Nadu, from Scotland) in his book "A History of Christianity in India: The Beginnings to AD 1707". "On january 1653 priests and people assembled in the church of Our Lady at Mattanceri, and standing in front of a cross and lighted candles swore upon the holy Gospel that they would no longer obey Garcia, and that they would have nothing further to do with the jesuits they would recognise the archdeacon as the governor of their church. This is the famous oath ofthe ‘ Koonen Cross ` (the open-air Cross which stands outside the church at Mattnchery.The Thomas Christians did not at any point suggest that they wished to separate themselves from the pope. They could no longer tolerate the arrogance of Garcia. And their detestation of the jesuits, to whose overbearing attitude and lack of sympathy they attributed all their troubles,breathes through all the documents ofthe time. But let the pope send them a true bishop not a jesuit, and they will be pleased to receive and obey him." A History of Christianity in India: The Beginnings to AD 1707 By Stephen Neill page 326-327 72.245.160.84 (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2012 (UTC)TruthiNESS

sexual abuse content[edit]

Where is the appropiate place to put information on the sexual abuse scandel as it affects this church? see this diff. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:19, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The article posted here was not a neutral one. The details are taken from a Catholic website. Which can never say the truth about Oath of the Bent Cross. Since it was against the Pope and catholic church.

A Catholic can never say the truth? You are twisted and no scholar. Why do you ignore the words of your Anglican protestant missionary writer, Stephen Neill? He and his relatives help fund your denomination, why not take his word? Stephen Neill is the grandson of Col. Munro, and became a CMS priest and later CMS/Anglican Bishop of Tirunelvel, and helped create the Church of South India. How much more neutral can you get? The man was not a Catholic, yet he wrote what he wrote. Accept reality.Qurbono (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Name[edit]

The name "Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church" does not appear to be widespread outside of Wikipedia. Despite what Neduvelilmathew seems to think,[1], the English version of the church's website doesn't use "Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church", it uses "Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar", or more usually just "Mar Thoma Syrian Church."[2] Additionally, "Mar Thoma Syrian Church" is far more common in sources; returning over 6000 Google Books hits, compared to only 244 for "Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church" - most of which are copies of Wikipedia. Barring some reasoning for the revert I'll be moving the article back to the more common name.--Cúchullain t/c 20:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

How disappointing that rather than discussing, as I requested, the editor has just continued reverting and excising material. Cúchullain t/c 21:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm with Cúchullain on this. "Mar Thoma Syrian Church" is the correct name for this, by ghits and their own website. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────This was posted to my talk page: Recently many corrections were appearing on this page. At last, you have also made the excising and corrections without any discussion. I know that our web site is using “Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar” in English, but just below that, the translation in Malayalam is “Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church”, as it appears in the approved Constitution of the Church. If you had made the excising and corrections after discussion, it would have been different.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 22:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Neduvelilmathew, I shouldn't have to tell you that the English Wikipedia uses English. It doesn't matter what you think a better translation of the Malayalam is, when a subject has a name that's common in English sources, we go with that. In this case, we have a clearly established common English name that's even used by the church itself.
As to my edit, I merely removed some poorly written, irrelevant unsourced material, added a brief and neutral section on history taken from the cited sources and the church's own website, and rearranged a thing or two. You've reverted all of that now. Considering that the current name fails all Wikipedia standards I would hope it would be uncontroversial enough that we could correct it without a formal move request, but we can certainly do that if necessary.Cúchullain t/c 00:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Neduvelilmathew, care to respond?--Cúchullain t/c 22:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
After receiving no response for a week, I went ahead and moved the article. Additionally Neduvelilmathew's revert not moved the talk page archives, so it needed to be fixed. The article should not be moved again without a discussion.--Cúchullain t/c 18:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Purely biased[edit]

it is a true factor that this article is highly biased to orthodox church. marthomites belives that they are founded by marthoma sleeha. they also believe that they are tracing the actual belief lay down by the st. thomas in AD52. but this article totally rejecting this beliefs and it underlines that marthoma church is totaly found out by abraham malpan (by refering an orthodox biased website). this is very sadfull. this article has no validness as an encyclopedia article.

NOT Purely biased[edit]

The Christians in Malabar before the arrival of Portugese were nestorians , as this is evident from the various historical informations. They never worshiped mary or other idols . After the arrival or Portugese lot of unholy non biblical practices were started in Malankara church. With the help of CMS missionaries malankara church started seminary at kottayam and started learning the word of God. So they found out that lot of unholy practices still exists in the church even though the church was not under the eagle - the Catholic church , but the church was under the unholy catholic church for about 100 years . I am saying the catholic church unholy because they tortured and killed our ancestors to get the church in communion with Rome . So a murderer can never be considered as holy . When the priests learned the unholy practices existed in church they wanted to remove it, so they sought the help of Anglicans. Please note this point that the then bishop asked Abraham malpan and his colleagues to study the reformation needed to be done in the church. And they found the necessary reformation needed, but the greedy Anglicans tried to control the church, so the bishop was afraid and he terminated all the alliance with anglicans. But Abraham malpan wanted to reform the church by removing the unholy practices but he lost support from the bishop that was a major turning point. All the reformations are always treated as Protestant reformation. Here also the orthodox people thinks the same. Marthoma church is not a protestant church as they wish it to be. But they can call marthomites with whatever ways they want because it is up to them. Marthoma church also got supports from Anglicans. But dont forget the facts that orthodox church also did several reformations with the help of Anglicans , but still they says they are orthodox and marthomites are protestants. I request you all to go to a marthoma church and see what is the Protestantism existing there. If you say - not praying to mary and saints - I will say our ancestors - who were nestorians never worshiped mary as the Nestorians do not consider Mary as mother of god, instead mother of human Jesus.

You have not signed this statement. Good thing you did not, since what you say is false. The Assyrian Church of the East, and the Chaldean-Syrian Church, as well as it's Catholic counterpart, the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church all venerate St. Mary and other saints. Look at reality. The Chaldeo-Assyrians are still around to check their books. They do not worship as you do, and are not in communion with you. Abraham malpan was a manipulator and tricked quite a few people. His descendants continue to stay in power as Marthoma bishops with similar lies. Unfortunately for them, history books are readily available, and nowadays just a click away.

  • See this as an example [2]:
    • Priest: Bless, O my Lord. My brethren, pray for me.

The Deacons: May Christ hear your prayers and be pleased with your supplications, and by His grace and mercy accept your offering, for ever and ever, Amen. Let us pray. Peace be with us. Pray for the memorial of our fathers the catholici and bishops and of all the priests and deacons and young men and virgins and of all who have departed and passed from this world in the belief of the truth and of all our fathers and brethren

  • another example [3]:
    • All: The Trinity that blessed the righteous believers and forefathers; bless this church, and may it be blessed now and for ever. Protect, O my Lord those who dwell in it from all harm and tribulations. Let it be full of blessings, like the House of Abraham. And increase and multiply its benefits like that of righteous Job, and may it be protected by the prayers of the holy virgin Mary from now and for ever.

Qurbono (talk) 19:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

St. Thomas[edit]

it is globally accepted that st.thomas founded the malankara church. orthodox, jacobite, malabar catholic, malankara catholic, malabar independent, chaldean, marthoma, and evangelical, all come's in these tradition. so it is believed that ALL THESE CHURCHES ARE FOUNDED BY ST. THOMAS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abin jv (talkcontribs) 10:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

You would be incorrect in your belief then. Qurbono (talk) 18:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Some work[edit]

I plan on doing some work to this article today. Specifically I'm going to condense the material about early history, which describes all St. Thomas Christians in general, not specifically this church, and replace inferior sources with better ones such as are used in the corresponding sections of the main Saint Thomas Christians article. There's no need to give a full account of the history of the St. Thomas Christians in general in every article on a modern St. Thomas Christian church; that material can be found elsewhere so a summary should be just fine.Cúchullain t/c 13:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Issues[edit]

Some contributors have issues with being objective in their edits. I realize this may be your denomination, but stop deleting factual references that you disagree with or do not like. Why delete the name of the Saint who's statue being thrown in the well that started the Reformation? Why keep changing the popular demographic to a self-reported list based on a guess from 2006, instead of an accurate estimate based on statistical analysis from 2009?! Also, stop removing the name of the contributors to the "Rabban Bible", and the presentation given by the priest as to the History of the Pesh'tto Bible in Kerala! If you have a problem with the references to the Synod of Diamper's minutes, please read the actual Synod, not your church's view of what they want to think, but what was actually stated.Qurbono (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Population Statistics[edit]

Neduvelil Mathew and others keep pointing to the WCC self-reporting page, which is from 2006 and has the following disclaimer on the site: About membership

Marthoma church population is available with the sabha directory which is published once in 4 or 5 years.Whatever population statistics provided will be based on that. So please stay away from putting orthodox church's view on Marthoma church.

So no one moves, gets married out of, leaves, or does anything but stay stagnant within the Marthoma sect until 4 or 5yrs when the directory emerges? Ridiculous, stop making up "data". At least have the academic integrity to post the so-called "sabha directory". No one has seen it and now must take your word for it. Qurbono (talk) 18:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Transubstantiation[edit]

Does Marthoma Church believe in Transubstantiation ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.2.236.197 (talk) 10:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

False witness against the Assyrian/Chaldean Church[edit]

An often repeated lie by the Marthoma denomination is that they restored the Church in Malankara to the way it practiced prior to the Catholics and Orthodox arriving in India. History and all the facts show that prior to the Syrians and the Portuguese arriving in Kerala, the local Liturgy was prayed in East Syriac according to the Chaldean-SyroMalabar-Assyrian usage. This liturgy today is prayed by the Syro-Malabar Catholics, the Chaldean-Syrians of Trichur, the Chaldean Catholics of the Middle East, and the Assyrian Churches of the East. None of these are in communion with the Marthoma denomination. All venerate St. Mary, and have multiple Saints that they Commemorate, they also pray for their dead (Dukhrana/Dukhrono). Here is one small example: Saint Andrew Liturgical Calendar for the Year 2013[4]

  • Friday January 11, 2013 it is the Commemoration of Saint John the Baptist the Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:30 PM.
  • Friday January 18, 2013 it is the Commemoration of Ss. Peter &Paul. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:30 PM
  • Monday January 21, 2013, it is the Rogation of the Ninevites.
  • Wednesday January 23, 2013 it is the Wednesday of the Rogation of Nativities. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 P.M. The Holy Mass will be followed by Potluck.
  • Thursday January 24 2013 it is the Thursday of thanks giving. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 A.M.
  • Friday February 1, 2013 it is the Commemoration of Saint Steven. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:30 PM.
  • Sunday February 3, 2012 It is a Commemoration of Mar Benyamin Shemoun Catholicos Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East. Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 AM.
  • Friday February 8, 2013. It is the Friday of the deceased. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:30 PM. The Holy Mass is followed by potluck.
  • Wednesday March 6, 2013. It is a Mid-Lent. The Holy Mass will be celebrated on Wednesday evening at 6:00 P.M. (followed by potluck)
  • Friday March 22, 2013. It is the Resurrection of Lazarus. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:30 P.M.
  • Thursday March 28, 2013. It is the Passover Thursday. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 P.M. (Followed by Potluck) Night Vigil.
  • Friday March 29, 2013. It is the Friday of the Passion. Evening Service will start at 7:00 PM.
  • Saturday March 30, 2013. It is the Saturday of the Lights. Evening Prayer begins at 5:00 P.M. Easter Vigil Service begins at 6:00 P.M. Mid night Mass begins at 8:00 PM.
  • Sunday March 31, 2013. It is the Sunday of the Holy Resurrection. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 AM.
  • Monday April 1, 2013. It is the Monday of the Thief (Robber) who was crucified in the right hand of the Lord. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 AM.
  • Wednesday April 24, 2013. It is the Commutation of Saint George the Martyr. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Tuesday May 7, 2012. It is the Commemoration Saint Shmoni and her Sons. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Thursday May 9, 2013. It is the Feast of the Ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ into heaven. The Holy Mass will be celebrated on Thursday at 6:00 PM.
  • Wednesday May 15, 2013. It is the Commemoration of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Holy mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Friday May 24, 2013. It is the Friday of Gold. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Sunday June 23, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Raban Pithyoun. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 PM followed by Dookhran.
  • Wednesday July 3, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Saint Thomas the Apostle. The Holy mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Sunday July 14, 2013. It is the commemoration of his Beatitude Mar Yousif Khnanisho Metropolitan of Baghdad Iraq of the Assyrian Church of the East. The Holy mass will be celebrated at 9:00 AM.
  • Monday July 15, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Mar Quriaqos the Martyr and his Mother Yoliteh. They were crowned in the year 304 AD. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Friday July 19, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Mar Mari the Apostle. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Tuesday August 6, 2013. It is the Feast of the Transfiguration of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Feast of Transfiguration took place in the year 33 A.D. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Wednesday August 7, 2013. It is the Commemoration of the Assyrian Martyrs. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 60:00 PM.
  • Thursday August 15, 2013. It is the Commemoration of the falling asleep of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the year 38 A.D. Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Friday August 9, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Mart Shmuni and her sons. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Friday August 19, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Mar Shimon Barsabbae. The Holy mass will be celebrated at 6:30 PM.
  • Friday September 13, 2013. It is the Feast of the Cross. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:30 PM.
  • Saturday September 14, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Mar Sawa, Mar Odisho, Mar Bisho, Mar Zaia amd all the Saints. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 AM.
  • Thursday September 19, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Mar Shalita. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Thursday October 17, 2013. It is the Anniversary of His Holiness Mar Dinkha IV Catholicos Patriarch.
  • Monday October 28. It is the first day of the Rogation of Saint George the Martyr. This Rogation lasts for three days, Monday through Wednesday.
  • Monday November 4, 2013. It is the Commemoration of Saint George the Martyr. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 6:00 PM.
  • Saturday November 30, 2013. It is the commemoration of Saint Andrew the Apostle. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 5:00 PM.
  • Tuesday December 24, 2013. It is Christmas Eve. Evening prayer will begin at 5:00 PM. Christmas Vigil at 6:00 PM. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 8:00 PM.
  • Wednesday December 25, 2013. It is Christmas day. The Holy Mass will be celebrated at 9:00 AM. Qurbono (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

The Syriac Bible (the Peshitta)[edit]

Marthoma denomination follows the protestant Bible as put together by the British in the 1800s. The Peshitto Bible is the basis of the Syriac-Chaldean Catholics, Syriac-Malankara Orthodox, and the Assyrian Church. The books that are considered inspired can be found in the Catechism written by Mor Dionysius Geevarghese of Vattasseril in his book titled Quintessence of Religious Doctrine[5] (p. 156), first published in 1900:

  • On the Books of the Bible

Every faithful should acknowledge the Old Testament and New Testament Books, which were authored through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and canonised by the holy Fathers

  • Canonised Books of the Old Testament
    • Books of Moses - 5
    • Joshua, son of Nun - 1
    • Judges - 1
    • Ruth - 1
    • Samuel - 2
    • Kings - 2
    • Chronicles - 2
    • Ezra including Nehemiah - 1
    • Maccabees - 3
    • Job - 1
    • Books of 150 Psalms - 1
    • Books of Solomon - 4
    • Prophets - 16
  • In the above list four books are attributed to Solomon as it includes the two books of Proverbs; there is a title at the

beginning of the 25th Chapter of the Book of Proverbs, the chapters following the caption are to be deemed as constituting another book. Daniel’s book includes the Book of Susanna also.

  • Canonised Books of the New Testament
    • Gospels - 4
    • Paul’s Epistles - 14
    • Peter’s Epistles - 2
    • John’s Epistles - 3
    • James - 1
    • Jude - 1
    • Clement’s Epistles - 2
    • Acts of the Apostles - 1
  • Regarding some of the Books incorporated in the Old and New Testaments, the following is to be borne in mind. Although the Church respectfully considers them as canonical texts, Athanasius the Great, Dionysius of Alexandria, et. al. cast doubts on the authenticity of them, while some suggested that a few others of that category may be studied and read to augment faith and devotion. Such books are listed under.
    • Solomon’s Great Wisdom
    • Bar Asira
    • Judith
    • Tobith
    • Didascalia of the Apostles
    • Shepherd of Hermas
    • Revelation of John
    • Revelation of Paul the Disciple
    • Epistles of Barnabas

As all the Books are written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they are useful for giving counselling, imparting instruction, confirming in orthodoxy and training in morals. Treatises which are likely to be so written can be approved of by the Church. Similarly canons, histories, preachings, epistles, homilies, can be recognised, after careful scrutiny by the bishops.Qurbono (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


This teaching is again explained in detail in Malayalam on GregorianTV Parumala. The Malayalam Holy Bible, from the time of St. Thomas until present day by Rev. Fr. Reji Mathew, Ph.D., Principal of Orthodox Theological Seminary, Nagpur.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qurbono (talkcontribs) 21:37, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Notes[edit]

Copypaste tag[edit]

Hi, Woona,

How did you come to the conclusion that Wikipedia article Mar Thoma Syrian Church, copied from the web site marthomachurchcoimbatore.org ; and not the other way round? Marthoma Church, Coimbatore is one of the parishes of the Mar Thoma Syrian Church. I am a member of the Mar Thoma Church and know this parish at Coimbatore. The copypaste tag is removed. Neduvelilmathew (talk) 10:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)