Talk:Marc Isambard Brunel

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Sophie or Sophia?[edit]

The article names Brunel's wife as Sophie Kingdom but the photo of the family grave names her Sophia. I must say I always understood her name to be Sophie but the inconsistency with the gravestone requires some explanation. If the stone was incorrectly engraved you would expect that someone in the high profile family would have had it corrected. MegaPedant (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

In the article, she was referred to as 'Sophia' until this major edit of 27 Dec 2007. So all the occurrences of 'Sophie' are the result of one editor, using Bagust as a reference (so did he get it wrong?)
I would suggest that 'Sophia' is more likely to be correct. Comparing the results of a google for 'sophia brunel' with those for 'sophie brunel' shows far more results for the former. More significant are the following cherry-picked links that refer to 'Sophia':
Admittedly these are not definitive, and I know from experience (James Watt birth date!) that all of these sources could have obtained information from an incorrect original... However, some of the persons named on that grave must have been buried after Sophia, and surely within the family they wouldn't have got it wrong?
EdJogg (talk) 01:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi all, I reverted a change to "Sophie" recently because I thought it was probably just vandalism, but now I see that it is a real question. I would like to add one more wrinkle: Very easily they can both be correct. The reason is that these are alternate Romance versions of the same name. It could be roughly analogous to wondering whether a guy's name was Thomas vs Tom, or Steven vs Steve, or /Porschə/ vs /Porsch/, or /proʒut/ vs /proʃutto/. It just depends on who's talking and what Romance dialect they were speaking at the moment. Just a possible explanation for why both names could be legitimately attested for her. Maybe "Sophia" on her birth and death records but "Sophie" as what was commonly pronounced around the household. I don't know anything about her, though. Cheers, — ¾-10 02:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Can I suggest the Google results for "sophie brunel" are referring to his sister, not his mother Sophia. I don't have a copy of Bagust but all other authorities (including, as pointed out above, her flipping gravestone) say Sophia. Whatever she was called en famille I think this encyclopedia article should use her given name. Which is clearly Sophia. --Dominic Sayers (talk) 09:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
PetroGeoff (talk · contribs) clearly agrees too, as he has applied the change discussed above (although he missed one and changed one he shouldn't). I've corrected that. All mentions are now to Sophia Kingdom, except the one reference to the daughter, which I have put as Sophie. This latter still requires clarification. EdJogg (talk) 10:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Brunel[edit]

Well I never knew that Brunel is an Old English surname,

86.186.3.245 (talk) 12:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)