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Change Entry Name From Mardi Gras To Pre-Lenten Celebrations?[edit]

Since Mardi Gras is just one of many pre-Lenten celebrations, perhaps the article name should be more general and then each type of pre-Lenten festival can be discussed. They can all still have their own pages but this articles seems to be the main one for all pre-Lenten celebrations.

It just seems that Mardi Gras is without much religous connotation in the United States. So it happens to be the day before the start of Lent, so what. Mardi Gras in the New Orleans sense has no reference point in our society with any church organization or is out of touch with it's religous roots.

The fact that Mardi Gras as celebrated in contemporary New Orleans, is not overtly religious does not negate the fact that it is a pre-Lenten celebration. This is an encyclopedia and an encyclopedias raison d'etre is to explain a thing including its history or background. The background of Mardi Gras and Carnival and Carnivale, etc. is that they are all celebrations in preparation for Lent. Even in modern day New Orleans the streets of the French Quarter are cleared at midnight because at midnight it is Ash Wednesday. I'm not saying the Mardi Gras article should be eliminated but perhaps it could be made a sub-page of a main article on pre-Lenten festivals.

Also, the title of the article is "Mardi Gras" but it discusses celebrations that aren't Mardi Gras. Thus, the scope of the article is already general and yet the title refers only to one specific festival. If the article is about Mardi Gras then perhaps we should remove the discussion of Carnival, Carnivale, etc. Or, in the alternative, change the title to "Pre-Lenten Celebrations."

Shrove Tuesday, a common and beloved title in New England, has much import in getting ready for a Holy Lent. There is the inclination to have Dixie Land Music, or other types of social dances with the serving of traditional flapjack style pancake with Sausge, Maple Syrup and all sorts of fruit salads, deserts and other breakfast type foods. The Crepe style pancake is much more closely associated with the English or even German celebration of the day before Lent. In New England and other parts of the North East(OH,NY,PA,etc.) many churches and communities gather for celebrations, sometimes just the "Pot-Luck" or "Dish-to-Pass" Suppers, to get all the rich foods out of the house before Lent. Some churches and community groups in New England (often consiting of Northern European descendants) host a "Ham and Bean" Supper in the days before Lent. The contrast between the Shrove Tuesday festivities and the somber Ash Wednesday Services is striking and spiritual both for those who believe and those who are simply curious. This thought leads me to believe that the very term Mardi Gras may mean very different things to different people.

So merging Mardi Gras with all Pre-Lenten Celebrations seems inappropriate. The links within the body of the article on Mardi Gras or Shrove Tuesday is more than sufficient. Diggledafath,14:55,20 Feb. 2007

Cut sentences[edit]

I (Infrogmation)cut out the below two sentences, as they disagree with all the sources I am familiar with.

"in fact the first Mardi Gras was celebrated there on February 27, 1827" "The first parade to have floats occured on February 24, 1868 at the New Orleans' Mardi Gras."

-- Infrogmation 17:07, 5 Mar 2003

Show me your...[edit]

wow, that's a long article without a single mention of boobies and beads. :O

They are mentioned in New Orleans Mardi Gras, if you must know.


Under Pensacola, the article states, "Pensacola, Florida is home to the third largest Mardi Gras Celebration in the United States." However, under St. Louis, it states, "The largest Mardi Gras celebration in the United States outside of New Orleans and Mobile is in the Soulard area of St. Louis, Missouri." I thought I'd raise this issue. I didn't change anything because I haven't found any resources that tell me which is true.

Copyright Violation[edit]

was copied from here

Mardi Gras is also celebrated in all of the towns in between New Orleans and Biloxi, such as Waveland, Bay St Louis, Pass Christian, Long Beach, and Gulfport, MS. Pass Christian has one of the largest and most popular day parades on the coast, always held the Sunday before Mardi Gras (although it hasn't returned to its pre-Katrina size yet).

Recommended addition[edit]

Other cities famous for Mardi Gras celebrations include...

May I recommend adding Nice, France's two-week carnival ending on Shrove Tuesday? Dick Kimball (talk) 17:23, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

A Tale of Two Cities

In 1859 the novel A Tale of Two Cities was published and immediately became one of Charles Dickens’s biggest hits. It was a fictional novel focused around the French Revolution. The purpose behind what Dickens explores was to try another way at understanding what really was going on during the time of the French Revolution. The time period from 1837 through 1901 was known as the Victorian Era after the queen of Great Britain. The Victorian Era was a time of rapid change consisting of improvements trailing with disappointments, proving yin always hangs a yang. “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...” summarizing the whole era, this is the now famous quote Dickens started A Tale of Two Cities with. During this era they took on the transition of a man owning land society to an urban, industrialization society. Dickens makes you think differently about the emotions and thoughts of the ones who witnessed the era by the way he presents it. The Victorian Age was a time of concern mainly for social affairs, economics, human justice, politics and religion. Throughout the novel Dickens takes turns and twists to help philosophize the era and its importance. Using symbolism and foreshadowing, Dickens shows social oppression, irony, arrogance, resurrection, sacrifice and the color red. Memory is a driving force Dickens uses throughout the novel, implementing destruction or hope/faith, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...”. England and France had multiple concerns in the late seventeenth century while going through such fast changes. Political confusion between the two during this time caused one of the most disturbing times in history. Violence was their attempt to problem solving, not learning the outcomes, they continue their destruction. Violence was a main concern of the audience of “A Tale of Two Citites” due to the violent society that was created, destroying itself it also took away the meaning of humanity and life. Dickens explains multiple examples of the violence and inhuman acts that were happening, coated with gruesome and memorable details. Taking place during the French Revolution, blood was a common aspect. Blood was everywhere all the time, Dinkens making it known, he uses blood as foreshadowing. There was a scene where wine had been spilt out of a barrel and the people all went crazy for the dirty wine that had already touched the ground. This was to show what was to come, and how the people will react when it does. Dickens had wrote, “The raggedest nightcap, awry on the wretchedest head, had this crooked significance in it: ‘I know how hard it has grown for me, the wearer of this, to support life in myself; but do you know how easy it has grown for me, the wearer of this, to destroy life in you?'”. Humans growing on habits, this passage was to explain that once one murders, its easier the second time. Getting used to the emotional and mental feeling, killing became more comfortable because of habit. Even seeing blood could become the habit. You seen it not often you think of it as gross scary, you see it everyday everywhere, one may become comfortable with it. To murder is inhuman, it changes you and who you are mentally causing you to become the real victim. Fighting fire with fire, something still till this day that is failed to understand. The political concerns during the time were intense and drastic. Dickens sends a messages to his readers when the character Alexandre Manette is introduced. Alexandra Manette was wrongly imprisoned and sentenced to Bastille in France. Unjustly wasting his time there he had lost his spirits, his peace his happiness, everything he felt that was right, was now thought of as wrong, he had died in the inside. Robbed of his freedom and justice he had lost himself. Forcefully given the consequences of a crime he had not committed, his mind was driven insane. After a long 18 innocent years spent in prison Manette was proven to be wrongly imprisoned. Eighteen years stolen from a gift given to us all shows the inequality that was going on during this time. Manette was then “recalled to life” meaning another chance, another opportunity to live to the fullest. The character Lucie Manette, Alexandre daughter, was next introduced as a blessing for to her father. Being the daughter of Alexandre gave him another reason, another memory, another purpose to why living now is worth every minute. Lucie had brought her father back to health and sanity with her love, life, youth and relation. Manette gave Lucie the blessing of life and she didn’t fail to do the same for him. This part of the novel showed me that the political problems were severe during this time and change needed was obvious. Along with the bad events that occured you also realize the good that had came out of it. Manette should have never been imprisoned nor should he have lost those 18 year of his life and freedom but with that happening he now has the privilege to being happier then he ever has. Because of the time he had spent wrongly imprisoned he now knows the feelings of sadness, angry and death, making him capable of being happier, more caring and lively. The love of his daughter shows the power a relationship can hold. Proving again that there is always a yin with the yang. The main concerns of the audience of “The Tail of Two Cities” is still some of the concerns that people struggle with to this day. Dickens shows violence, resurrections, injustice, love and hope in multiple different ways to help explain one message. Our history is crucially important and it is needed to learn from. The world is always advancing, looking for the better way, the next step, improving. Making discoveries and advances is not always bad, but what isn’t understood, is when its time to stop. Dickens has a wonderful way of showing the parallels of personal to political, proving that everything and everyone is intertwined, the good and the bad.

Citations — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)