Talk:Margaret of Parma

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


Margaret of ParmaDuchess Margaret of Parma – I request to move because current format is confusing. She was neither queen consort (which goes with format "Name of place" (exampel Catherine of Aragon, nor was she ruler of Parma in her own right. The current name goes against Wikipedia rules on naming nobility, see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(names_and_titles)#Other_royals for reference. Gryffindor 17:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

  • Oppose This is normal usage for her in English, and calling her Duchess on the grounds that she was not duchess-regnant is just bizarre. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There's only one well-known "Margaret of Parma" in English-language usage, and this is she. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose No need to fix what ain't broke. Lethiere 03:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose as above. The proposal seems incorrect anyway. (Margaret, Duchess of Parma might be acceptable ?) -- Beardo 06:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Deb 17:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • I would appreciate some evidence that this phrase is ever used for her. Scholar.google.com gets one hit; and that one appears to be spurious; the book discusses her grandson, but I don't see a reference to her. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Margaret of Austria[edit]

The other Margaret of Austria (her aunt mentioned in the article) is much more famous and would deserve the main article! I came here on a link from Mechelen, which should have gone to the other one! LHOON

"woman of masculine abilities"[edit]

Maybe the 1911 phrase "woman of masculine abilities" can be rephrased. Churchh 12:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

One year later, no one has responded to this: why? Are articles incorporating the 1911 Encyclopedia untouchable? Itahist 20:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Missprint[edit]

I'm not sure, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on this woman's DOB. "Margaret of Parma (28 December 1522 - 18 January 1586), ... In 1527, (she,)at the age of seven,"

Title[edit]

In Dutch history books, her title is "landvoogdes". At least her formal title should be named not just what it boils down to (governess).

She is a very important person in Dutch history since she ruled during the early stages of the Dutch revolt (though the actual revolt only happened under her successor, Duke of Alva). So please do not change here name, even if that goes against policy. It is the name she has been known as for centuries.

The famous sentence "Ce ne sont que des gueux" was uttered in her presence and named the Dutch Revolt's forces. 88.159.71.34 (talk) 19:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)