Talk:Maria Anna of Spain

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Name[edit]

Her name should be Maria Anna of Austria, of Austria was her surname and of Spain is just silly and misleading LPC (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

"of Spain" is neither silly nor misleading. She was an infanta of Spain. It's so simple. Besides, she is just one of many, many archduchesses of Austria named Maria Anna but the only infanta of Spain named Maria Anna. Surtsicna (talk) 22:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
You are right, it is simple. Just because someone had the same name as someone else does not mean it is right to give her a convenience name. Look at any source regarding her and I bet you it will say of Austria. What you say does not exclude that her name was of Austria does it =\ And yes, it is misleading Monsieur LPC (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

A select bibliography..

  1. Anales Real Academia a Nacional de Medicia
  2. La guerra de sucesión española (also noting that Margarita Teresa of Spain as Austria
  3. Reinas y princesas del Renacimiento a la Ilustración (the two once again)
  4. El primer blasón del Austria
  5. Spain in the age of exploration, 1492-1819
  6. The history of Spain
  7. Histoire générale d'Espagne
  8. The drama of the portrait
  9. International relations in Europe, 1689-1789
  10. Queens of old Spain
  11. Memoirs of the Court Aristocracy and Diplomacy of Austria Part One


I will request a move LPC (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 09:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


Maria Anna of SpainMaria Anna of Austria, Holy Roman Empress — She is known as of Austria. It may also be appropriate to add Holy Roman Empress as there are many Austrian Maria's and Maria Anna's. The list I made (above) is a clear indication of my point. Just because someone it is easier to call someone X does not mean it is there correct name. LPC (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Support as nominator LPC (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The list you made is only a clear indication of how problematic "Maria Anna of Austria" is. The "Queens of old Spain", "The history of Spain", "Anales Real Academia a Nacional de Medicia", "La guerra de sucesión española" and "The drama of the portrait" obviously refer to Mariana of Austria. "Memoirs of the Court Aristocracy and Diplomacy of Austria Part One" and "International relations in Europe, 1689-1789" call her simply Maria Anna (neither Maria Anna of Spain nor Maria Anna of Austria). "Histoire générale d'Espagne" and "Spain in the age of exploration, 1492-1819" don't seem to mention her at all. In case anyone doubts, there certainly are books that call her Maria Anna of Spain. Women rulers throughout the ages is one of them. Surtsicna (talk) 17:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I knew you would oppose. In the link you copied, look on page 14, she is called of Austria and the dates prove it is referring to her, proving my point LPC (talk) 18:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The only Maria Anna of Austria mentioned in the book is Maria Anna of Spain's daughter.[1] No Maria Anna is mentioned on page 14.[2] Please don't claim that sources say what they clearly don't say. Surtsicna (talk) 19:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. We can't just call her "of Austria" just because it was her dynasty. In my opinion the "of Austria" is much more misleading, we don't call the later Spanish Bourbons "of Bourbon" do we. But on wikipedia it seems the Spanish Habsburg's article title are a matter of what is the most common name or the more convieniet. And I agree with Surtsicna your sources mentions on Page 259 that Mariana of Austria was the daugher of Ferdinand III and Maria Anna of Spain.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Date problem[edit]

In removing some of the article's passive constructions, I noticed that although the article mentioned her journey to Austria as lasting over a year, the dates mentioned were less than a month apart. Did her journey from Madrid to Trieste take over a year? Frankly, I suspect she might've even lived in a port city like Seville, or Valencia or Barcelona, and traveled by sea, which would've been quicker. Also, the sentence which says both that she listened yo the regent when her husband was away and also that she accompanied her husband on his travels makes no sense.Jweaver28 (talk) 14:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)