Talk:Mark E. Smith

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Regarded by many/ bewildering[edit]

Although a google of this topic shows evidence for the assertion, no Fall fans were confused by the typically Mark performance on Newsnight. Many Newsnight viewers would have been bewildered; Peel would have loved it.

Whatever, can we not have some indication of what he said? Rojomoke (talk) 12:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Meetings with John Peel[edit]

The article says that Mark E Smith and John Peel "met only a handful of times". To me "a handful" means maybe five or six - certainly no more than ten - but The Fall did maybe over twenty sessions for John Peel's show* and surely the two must have at least met at each of these?

*At the John Peel article it says 24.

The sessions were not recorded in the presence of Peel. --Dannyno 22:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I remember from an interview, somewhere, that it was more like twice. One of them said - and I can't remember which one, probably Mark - that they didn't want to ruin the relationship by familarity. Fair enough. + Ceoil 01:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Money in house[edit]

Removed the bit about the distrust of banks. Can't put that, the poor bloke might get burgled! 01:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

If it's from a publicly available source it goes in the article. We're not the subject's friends; we're not here to help him or boost his career. If he blabs out his home address and hours of residence to The Times, and they publish those facts, they go in the article. -Ashley Pomeroy 21:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Wrong wrong wrong. see Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons, which says that articles must have due regard for privacy. Is MES's home address an encyclopedically relevant fact? No. So it wouldn't go in, even if it's discoverable or publishede elsewhere. --Dannyno 08:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sell out.[edit]

Mark cashes his check. Is it right? I feel my heart breaking. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 05:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC).


The article says that "in interviews, he has cited Colin Wilson, Wyndham Lewis, H. P. Lovecraft, and Philip K. Dick as influences", and gives a link to Stewart Lee's article on him here to support this. But the Stewart Lee piece isn't an interview - it's written in that style, but at heart it's a mass of research from books and a DVD - and Lee attributes those influences to him, drawing either on an unspecified source, or on his own judgement. -Ashley Pomeroy 21:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


The article gives MES's birthplace as Salford but I'm pretty sure he was actually born in what's now North Manchester General Hospital in Crumpsall. Can anybody confirm either way? BTLizard 14:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


Anyone else feel that this article is way too subjective? I sure do.

Plus, it is mentioned twice that he played Jesus. Redundant.


yes it it too subjective the Fall were a happening band in 1976, yet are decribed as post punk, clearly nothing post about them, someone is clearly too young to know what they are talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peta-x (talkcontribs) 19:30, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

"Post" in the sense of "post-punk" means "informed by and progressing from", like in Post-modernism. It's not temporal. There were many postpunk bands who formed and released records before punk became huge... which also brings up the fact: punk existed before it was huge. 18:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Only 50[edit]

He looks knackerd for his age!!

So would you if you'd made 30 of the best records since 1977. --sparkl!sm talk 20:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
And downed the amount of speed and mild that he has! Bless him... FelixFelix talk 17:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

24 Hour Party People[edit]

I've edited to the effect that he was in it (as a cameo in a queue outside the Hac), but his character (as a young man) was also portrayed by Sam Riley, though this scene was cut from the final film. I took out the fact that Riley also played Ian Curtis in Control because it clogs up what is already a pretty unwieldy sentence. Millichip (talk) 10:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it was cut.. I wondered why I couldn't remember that bit. Good catch! Flowerparty 12:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Associated acts[edit]

We keep getting Gorillaz added as an associated act on the basis of Smith contributing vocals to one track by them. This isn't enough to be included here. Smith has made guest appearances with probably dozens of other artists/bands over the last 33 years or so, from Jon the Postman in 1978 right up to Gorillaz recently, and listing them all as associated acts doesn't make sense. If anyone fancies listing all of these guest appearances in the discography section, however, that would be worthwhile, I think.--Michig (talk) 15:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


He provided the music for a ballet which was called (i think) I am kurious oranj. Can anybody provide more details82.42.121.120 (talk) 20:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it is generally credited to The Fall rather than Smith himself. More details can be found at the I Am Kurious Oranj page. Thanks --sparkl!sm hey! 20:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Personal Life[edit]

Should some of the section about The Fall be split into a separate section covering personal life, like marriages, the red squirrel incident, reading the sports results etc? I think some mention should be made of Mark's sense of humour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timalmond (talkcontribs) 22:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)