Talk:Markos Moulitsas

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Gallary[edit]

I randomly stumbled across this page during a usual wiki adventure from blackwater>first battle of fallujah>31stmarch0 fallujah ambush and noticed this dude had a gallary. This doesn't add anything to wiki especially as theres pics already of him. Wiki is trying to resemble an enclycopedia and not a myspace sytled social site. If Hitler, Herbert Hoover and Harold Holt don't have a gallary, then neither should this bloke. I like the letter H. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.150.170 (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

>>what is a "gallary"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.195.79 (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

What is the point of including a photograph of him in a military uniform? He is known as a political commentator and there are plenty of photos of him like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.73.18 (talk) 14:44, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

2008 Primary[edit]

Moulitsas didn't really call the primary process "civil war" but rather implied that the consequences of the "coup by superdelegate" would be civil war. The way it is phrased in the article makes it seem like his criticism is of the primary process instead of Senator Clinton's tactics. Ketchomal (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Name[edit]

I've noticed that several variations on the subject's name are present in the article. I'm going to go through and change most of them to Marcos Moulitsas, or just Moulitsas, since that is apparently what he uses now. The Latin American custom of using the double last name is improper in this case, since Kos now follows U.S. custom of father's surname only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgranucci (talkcontribs) 02:57, 25 April 2009

You mean Markos Moulitsas, right? Because that's the correct spelling of his first name. According to Spanish naming customs, both surnames should be used when formality is required but it's appropriate to use just the paternal surname when informally referring to someone. Taking that into consideration, it would seem that the best approach would be to leave Zuniga in the infobox and first line of the article, but remove it anywhere else it appears in the text of the article. BigTex71 (talk) 05:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Religious beliefs[edit]

Georgiamode01, the infobox person template of which you are referring to, now uses the label "Religious beliefs", but previously it was just "Religion". It was changed specifically because, as you note, atheism or agnosticism are not religions (there is discussion of the change in the archives for that infobox, see here for some). Atheism and agnosticism are however the proper terms to describe the religous beliefs of a person, with the basic meaning of the terms describing the lack of said beliefs. An analogy would be that it would be inappropriate to describe the political party of someone who identifies them as "independent" as "independent" since there is no such party, but it would be appropriate to describe their "political stance" as "independent". In fact, the infobox template for scientists uses the term "religious stance" instead of "religious beliefs". Perhaps that is a better term, and if you think so you should try discussing it in the talk page for the person infobox.--Mooksas (talk) 18:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Using the definition of Religion according to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary[Link] (see definition b (1) which I would consider the most clear-cut and accurate definition). Atheism isn't a religious stance or a religious belief in any sense. It's a disbelief of a deity or belief that there is no such thing, but a belief does not necessitate a religious belief unless it fits said definition. The word Religion does not own the word deity. "Belief", "disbelief," and "religion" are three different and separate words. I don't think any term has be included in that part of the infobox given that he's an atheist, and it really is misleading when the term "atheist" is included. Also regarding your analogy, it's a bad analogy. If a person were to blatantly state that they have political stances which do not adhere to any current political party, and is proven true, then "independent" could be used to describe their stance. If a person does not subscribe to any political stance/s at all, then "none" would be the correct and obvious term. The latter is the case here. Atheism, again, doesn't necessitate a stance on religion such as antitheism or antireligion. You can still be an atheist and be religious and/or support theism and/or support religion. The word itself, atheism, is not a religious belief or a stance on religion. Georgiamode01 (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I see your point regarding the fact that atheism does not necessarily preclude religious beliefs (e.g. many Buddhist adherents would consider themselves atheists). But it is quite common to use the term atheist to describe one's lack of religious beliefs (such as in the citation used for this very issue). In the practical sense of how the information contained in the infobox is viewed, imagine the subject of the article being asked each question in turn. If the subject of this article were asked, "what are your religious beliefs", his answer would almost certainly be, "none, I am an atheist". So, a compromise position I have seen used is to say "none (atheist)" in the infobox, instead of just "atheist". In this way the primary query of religious beliefs in answered (none), and including the term atheist provides the appropriate context.
Although, on further reflection, it's not clear to me that identifying this particular individual as an atheist is very relevant to their notoriety. It is a fact that doesn't appear to have come up much in his writings, and it certainly isn't a main focus of his work. So, if you still feel strongly about removing it from the infobox, and there are no further objections from other editors, I see no reason that it absolutely must be included in the article.--Mooksas (talk) 17:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

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I have removed the offending link as well as the blacklisted template. Themillofkeytone (talk) 01:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)